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I've been seeing the current boyfriend for about eight months. I knew that he has a 10 yo son from the previous marriage before we started dating. Sometimes I spent weekends in his place and had to sleep on the couch when he had his son over with him. At first, I thought it was because he had only one bedroom and his son needed medical attention during the night due to a chronic disease.

He moved to a two-bedroom apartment recently and his son sleeps in his own room. He also told me that he had talked to his son that it was about time for the boy to sleep by himself.

I was supposed to drive to his place last Saturday and spent the weekend together. Unfortunately, I was occupied by something and could not leave until around 9pm. When I called him and told him excitedly that I was on my way, he said it was late. His son would be shocked if he saw me in his father's room after midnight, which would leave the boy a bad impression about me.

Honestly, I was "shocked" when I heard this and asked what he meant that his son would see me after midnight. He then said that his son could not sleep well in his own room and walked to the masterbedroom the night before (I guess they ended sleeping together). And his son was not used to sleeping by himself. As the conversation went on, he told me that his son is still sleeping with his mother during the weekend days.

I tried to figure out whether it was because he was not happy that I was late for the date or something else was going on. He eventually told me, after I had asked, that he needed to go to a birthday party at his father's Sunday afternoon and he also had two game tickets at noon on Sunday (he did not mention that he planned to go to the game with me), which meant that I would have to leave early in the morning after driving 70 miles to his place.

What upset me was that he did not tell me our plan was going to be changed while I tried to wrap up as early as I could to meet him. I would understand if he could let me know in advance. And, this was not the first time that such things had happened. Sometimes he forgot completely about our plan.

I do not know how to improve this relationship at the moment. Maybe I was too sensative? Maybe I care more about the relationship than he does (as my friends said)?

I would appreciate if anyone could give me some advice. Thanks!
P.S. sorry for the messy post.

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- October 4th, 2009, 10:34 pm
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Dating someone with kids can be complicated because the parents have a set of values they want to instill in their children. Personally, I never saw a man sleeping in my mom's bed while she was dating. Actually, when my father was dating, he never had a woman sleep over when my brother and I were there. I would discuss with him what type values he wants to set for his son as it relates to you guys relationship.
As far as the changing plans thing, if he does that a lot he probably does not see it has a problem and you should bring it up. He could have been passive aggression because you came later than planned. Either way bring it up with finesse the next time it happens to see if he had given it any forethought to changing plans.
- October 5th, 2009, 12:10 am
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Looks to me like there's a couple of different things going on here.

For one, he's a single parent, even if part-time. One thing you're going to have to accept without any reservations is that his son is going to come first. Always. If you have any thoughts otherwise, a relationship with someone who is a parent is not for you. Once the kid has moved out, then you get priority on a day-to-day basis, with the caveat that the child will still take priority in any extremity.

The second thing - and completely separate - is that you two seem to have some trouble communicating. That's not anything to do with his son, other than the life of a single parent is hectic beyond belief. You'll need to cut him a little bit of slack for that, but I sense that there's some more fundamental communications problems going on. Examples: You being "occupied" and not getting started for his place until significantly later than you two had probably discussed before, and then being disturbed that he'd gone on with his evening and accomodated his son's wish. I can completely understand his concern about you showing up late at night when his son is home. I don't think he's being unreasonable with that concern at all. Then there's his changing the weekend's plans without any mention to you. That's plain inconsiderate on his part.

You both need to work on your individual communication contributions to this relationship, and you need to manage your expectations about his son.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
- October 5th, 2009, 12:17 am
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You have to deal with the after shock of his divorce and I would venture to say his poor communications is also one of the reason that he is divorced.

The other major character flaw is his lack of empathy for you and your feelings. He is only interested in himself and his son. I don't believe that he currently has a place for you in his life, except as a sex partner who is willing drive 70 miles each way for a good old fashion roll in the hay.

If you want to maintain a sexual relationship it would probably be best to sleep over during the week when his son is with his mother, who has not done a good job of making him feel secure. Leave him and his son to each other on the weekends. If I were you I might consider having lunch with his ex-wife and get her point of view on her ex-husband, who does not sound like a winner by any sense of the word. Look, listen and learn, time to move on with your life.

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the fact that a 10 year old is still sleeping in the same bed as his parents is odd.
- October 5th, 2009, 01:36 am
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scarlet13 wrote :
the fact that a 10 year old is still sleeping in the same bed as his parents is odd.
no it isn't
- October 5th, 2009, 03:31 am
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Psycue wrote :
Dating someone with kids can be complicated because the parents have a set of values they want to instill in their children... Personally I would discuss with him what type values he wants to set for his son as it relates to you guys relationship.
As far as the changing plans thing, if he does that a lot he probably does not see it has a problem and you should bring it up. He could have been passive aggression because you came later than planned...
Thanks, Psycue. My BF and I had a brief discussion about his son when we started dating each other and I was kinda prepared dating someone who has a kid. I even talked to him that it might be more embarrassing and hurt more if he blamed his son with my presence (he once yelled at his son for not working hard when we went canoeing together). Besides, I also understood when he told me that his son might have to stay with him in one bedroom at the previous apartment and I might have to sleep in the couch. His son has some chronic disease and, being sick when I was a kid myself, I can fully understand how much the father cared about it. The only shocking part of what had happened on Saturday was that it was not because his son needed some medical attention. The boy simply could not sleep without either his father or mother in the same bed. I just don't think it healthy for the boy, esp he is still sleeping with the mother.

His son knew clearly that I spent nights over primarily because his father did not want to put the boy in the car and drive me back once it was close to the boy's bedtime (around 8pm). Because of this, I decided to drive my own car so that I could have some flexibility. The boy asked me weeks ago whether I would still sleep in the couch or I would be in his father's bedroom. It was a little bit awkard at that moment and I did not answer directly. The boy then concluded by himself that "of course you want to sleep with my dad". I have thought about not going over during the weekend when he has his son. However, I don't know how to explain to my BF why I choose to change now. He tends to joking about me having excuses not to see him (when I had to write my thesis or I had to entertain a co-worker from outside the states, etc). Maybe I did not do it right at the beginning?

As of the bad communication part, I was actually out there helping a 15 yo girl shopping for school(she has just come over for a private school in the states all by herself), which I told him weeks ago and several times. I thought that I could finish up with the gilr in late afternoon. Unfortunately, it went over 8pm. My BF texted me around 4:30pm and asked what we were doing. After I had told him that we were still in the cell phon store, he said that he would leave us alone. He knew I was not there having fun with my friends or shopping for myself. It was just some obligations that I had to do as a remote friend of the girl's parents. By the end of the day, I was exhausted but I thought I could still see him as planned. My weekend bag was in the car and he told me not to go over with some strange reason...
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scarlet13 wrote :
the fact that a 10 year old is still sleeping in the same bed as his parents is odd.
Fleuellen wrote :
no it isn't
I think it is.
- October 5th, 2009, 06:18 am
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Harvey7 wrote :
You have to deal with the after shock of his divorce and I would venture to say his poor communications is also one of the reason that he is divorced.

The other major character flaw is his lack of empathy for you and your feelings. He is only interested in himself and his son. I don't believe that he currently has a place for you in his life, except as a sex partner who is willing drive 70 miles each way for a good old fashion roll in the hay.

...If I were you I might consider having lunch with his ex-wife and get her point of view on her ex-husband, who does not sound like a winner by any sense of the word. Look, listen and learn, time to move on with your life. Harvey7.
Hi Havery7, thank you for your reply. It is painful to know the truth sometimes, but I have to face it if I want to keep this relationship or help myself out.

My BF got his divorce over five years ago because his ex had affairs with someone else. I don't know how long it would take one to get over the shock from a divorce. Based on what he told me, they were both young (around 30 when the kid was born) and were frustrated with the kid's disease. He ended seeking for help from a psychiatrist.
I don't know whether I would ever have a chance to talk to his ex coz I live in the south, he somewhere down town and his ex way up north. The only time I got close was Sundaty evenings when I rode with him to drive his son back to his ex's place. I've never seen his ex or anyone else in his family so far (other than his son).

All I can say about him is that he can be very sweet sometimes, but can also say something in a tone occasionally that would hurt you . I simply ate it coz I did not make those small issues a big deal. On the other hand, I told myself that no relationship is easy and I should look at his nice side. I read some articles from eHarmony and tried to learn how to keep a relationship by giving him his own space and not fussing about him disappearing all of a sudden during our text conversation or over the weekend.

He wrote in his email last week that I'd been always very good to him. However, I guess that being good is not enough to keep one's passion in a relationship? No matter what I do for him and his son, he would look hurt and told me that I was inconsiderate once out of a million time when I mentioned that I had to go home to work on my thesis. I don't know what I am scared about...?
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Looks to me like there's a couple of different things going on here.

For one, he's a single parent, even if part-time. One thing you're going to have to accept without any reservations is that his son is going to come first.

The second thing - and completely separate - is that you two seem to have some trouble communicating. That's not anything to do with his son, other than the life of a single parent is hectic beyond belief. You'll need to cut him a little bit of slack for that, but I sense that there's some more fundamental communications problems going on. Examples: You being "occupied" and not getting started for his place until significantly later than you two had probably discussed before, and then being disturbed that he'd gone on with his evening and accomodated his son's wish. I can completely understand his concern about you showing up late at night when his son is home. I don't think he's being unreasonable with that concern at all. Then there's his changing the weekend's plans without any mention to you. That's plain inconsiderate on his part.

You both need to work on your individual communication contributions to this relationship, and you need to manage your expectations about his son.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
Hi Pilot, thanks for the reply. You made some very good points in your post. I have to admit that my BF and I do have communication problem which I realized at the very beginning of this relationship. I tried to talk to him about this at least twice (would be three counting our converstion last Saturday night). When I raised a serious topic, he seemed to be a bit uncomfortable and would take it personally that I was picking on him. And I had explained that I hoped the serious discussion (no matter how painful they could be) would help us to improve our relationship.

I asked him about the game tickets and the b'day party at his dad's place towards midnight on Saturday. He texted me back, quote "I feel ur looking 4 reasons to blame me for smthing. is there smthing else going on that u need to tell me?" Then I had to explain to him that I was only trying to start a conversation, rather than blaming him, whether we should let each other know if there would be any changes to our plan in the future. The same situation happened several times before. For instance, we had planned to meet and have lunch together (around 12pm) after his son's baseball game. The game had been delayed for hours, but he did not tell me until after 12pm. Or, I was to meet him after my test to spend the long weekend together (I emailed him weeks before and he said that would be nice) only to find out that he had planned to drive nother to his dad's place. He knew that I was going to help the girl shop for school on Saturday and I would try to cut it short so that I could meet him and his son afterwards. I was not prepared that things would go beyond my control coz there were so many stuff the girl needed to buy. I let him know that we were still stuck in the cell phon store late in the afternoon. I felt sorry that I did not meet the time he and I were supposed to meet, but I explained that it was an obligation from the family rather than having fun with my friends and ignoring him.

He told his son that day that I was going over, so the boy was not unprepared. It would have been nice if he could explain to his son further that I was occupied by something important and might run late.

His son have always been the priority since the first day we met. I knew it and I decided to accept it to as a part of the relationship with him. When he was still in the one-bed apartment, I slept in the couch whenever his son was over coz he did not want to drag the boy to the car after 8pm and drive me to where I parked. Eventually, I decided to drive all the way to his place when the boy was there. When he yelled at his son for not working hard on canoeing, I said in a nice way afterwards that it might be more embarrassing and hurt the boy more if he was scolded with my presence (he went to talk to his son and they made up). When he was trained on long-distrance running, I stayed at home and babysitting his son. I am not complaining or regretting about anything that I have done for the boy coz I believe it was the right thing to do. What hurts is that you would be called "inconsiderate" if once out of a million times that you were not able to help out. Just as what happens at work sometimes, when your boss does not recoganize what you have accomplished and gives you negative evaluaion if one thing goes wrong.

I do agree that the communication is a big problem here at the moment (or there may be something else as well), but it is difficult if I am the only who is working on it.
- October 5th, 2009, 07:31 am
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