Maybe stated another way might provide a different perspective and it also might not!
I like to be needed or perhaps better stated, relied on at times. It gives me satisfaction to replace a light fixutre, replace an outlet, fix the toilet, make dinner, make plans, give you directions on the phone when you are in the car and lost, fix a flat tire, wash the cars, take the kids so that you can feel free to be out with the girls or just have you-time, give you a shoulder to cry on out of happiness or sadness, etc, et al.
that's more about YOU and what you need than what she needs.
are women supposed to sit in the dark until you come over and change a light bulb just so you can feel needed? do you really want to date a woman who is so dependant on a man that she can't drive from point A to B without you?
I don't think you meant to offend anyone, but the way you stated it I found offensive. it's not a syndrome to be independent- It's life.
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The independent woman will fight each and every one of these - at least more often than not. This makes me feel as though I am not needed - so why have me around?
I doubt that highly. I'm independent and if my guy changes a light bulb for me or takes out the garbage I'm not going to argue. nor will he argue if i go over his house and do a chore or two. it's called being nice.
that's more about YOU and what you need than what she needs.
are women supposed to sit in the dark until you come over and change a light bulb just so you can feel needed? do you really want to date a woman who is so dependant on a man that she can't drive from point A to B without you?
I don't think you meant to offend anyone, but the way you stated it I found offensive. it's not a syndrome to be independent- It's life.
I doubt that highly. I'm independent and if my guy changes a light bulb for me or takes out the garbage I'm not going to argue. nor will he argue if i go over his house and do a chore or two. it's called being nice.
An interesting reply Scarlett.
HAHA! Changing a light bulb is different than a light fixture. One requires little to no effort, the other can kill you.
My list of theoretical examples was a simple list and could not be all inclusive - but the items on the list were not the point.
Going to fix a toilet at my gf's house is not something that I need. She needs her toilet fixed. Having her call me instead of a plumber is something that I need. It gives me satisfaction to feel needed.
Allowing people to do things for us gives them a sense of worthiness. That is why people comment that they feel good about doing things for others, isn't it? Allowing people to do things for us shows we care about them as much as doing things for them does the same.
I am not needed, then why have me around - why would I want to be around?
Does that make sense?
To the very independent person, that does not make sense. And they will sabotage a relationship as a result.
Playing hard to get is the single worst strategy a woman can employ. It's such a turn-off. You either like a guy or you don't, and should let him know as soon as possible. And that goes for how guys treat ladies, too.
The bolded is exactly the opposite of what you should do.
Interesting.. people are looking for "equals" (in the areas of quality, status, success, etc.). I think it "sounds good" and so many people accept that as, "yeah.. that's a good way to approach it." But I don't (big surprise).
To me, looking or demanding, or narrowing it down to (and yes. saying you're looking for an equal IS narrowing it down) is akin to saying "i want to date the person that drives at an equal speed that I do." In other words, anybody that drives faster? OUT! Anybody that drives slower? OUT! And again, it "sounds good" but what is the reality of that? How often do you find ANYBODY driving the exact same speed as you?
So the way I interpret it anyway, when I think it through, is that it is really limiting. "I'm looking for my EQUAL". Just think of how many careers are both considered "more successful" than yours and "less successful" ~ yer tossing out ALL THOSE PEOPLE?
For me... I keep it reaaaallll simple. I'm looking for a genuinely and sincerely kind heart and somebody with an open/adventurous mind. If they happen to be highly successful great. If not, who's to say what "success" is anyways? A teacher shaping the future generation of our society making $30k/yr or the CEO with the $1M bonus at the next "Enron"?
My point is that a man would never be called independent with such a note of disdain.
dis⋅dain
–verb (used with object) 1. to look upon or treat with contempt; despise; scorn. 2. to think unworthy of notice, response, etc.; consider beneath oneself: to disdain replying to an insult.
–noun 3. a feeling of contempt for anything regarded as unworthy; haughty contempt; scorn.
That is up to each person to decide, isn't it?
I answered how a woman sabotages a relationship. You took issue with the point about independence. I tried to clarify that independence is indeed an issue (it is to me) and that what I am looking for is an interdependent woman.
It is interesting to me that you look at it from the opposite perspective to prove a point. In looking through my original list, it seems that each could apply to either gender really... but that was not the topic. I wonder what made you take it there - and on this element alone?
As a point you might consider though:
What is behind men that are overly independent? Those men are usually scorned for being "absentee," and "inattentive," aren't they? I could argue there is an awful lot of disdain in that distinction, but I miss the purpose and interestingly feel more comfortable about the fact that stringent independence sabotages relationships...
It seems we might be on two completely different wavelengths. Thanks for your comments.
I agree, Richey. I don't know if an equal is possible, let alone a healthy goal. And it's too stressful to try to find one anyway.
What I'm looking for is a man whom I agree with on a majority of important issues, but that fills in for me in areas where I'm not as skilled (emtionally, mentally and physically). In turn, I do the same for him.
So I don't think I'm looking so much for an equal relationship as much as I'm looking for a balanced one.
Okay, and he's got to be sexy, too. In his own way.
–verb (used with object) 1.to look upon or treat with contempt; despise; scorn.2.to think unworthy of notice, response, etc.; consider beneath oneself: to disdain replying to an insult.
–noun 3.a feeling of contempt for anything regarded as unworthy; haughty contempt; scorn.
That is up to each person to decide, isn't it?
I answered how a woman sabotages a relationship. You took issue with the point about independence. I tried to clarify that independence is indeed an issue (it is to me) and that what I am looking for is an interdependent woman.
It is interesting to me that you look at it from the opposite perspective to prove a point. In looking through my original list, it seems that each could apply to either gender really... but that was not the topic. I wonder what made you take it there - and on this element alone?
As a point you might consider though:
What is behind men that are overly independent? Those men are usually scorned for being "absentee," and "inattentive," aren't they? I could argue there is an awful lot of disdain in that distinction, but I miss the purpose and interestingly feel more comfortable about the fact that stringent independence sabotages relationships...
It seems we might be on two completely different wavelengths. Thanks for your comments.
you wrote in the original post:
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Not willing to rely on him (need him). The independent woman syndrome.
"independent woman syndrome"? is there a male version of this sickness? that's where your disdain showed, IMO.
that is exactly the part of the post i found offensive. now, you did clarify you wanted an "interdependent" woman, then clarified further in the follow up post using "independent people" rather than "women".
my point is that noone ever complains about independent men; there are however countless threads on the independent woman and her apparent syndrome.
I get the fact that men love to be the rescuers, protectors and providers- but what i don't understand is what men think this woman was doing before he came along, and to treat an obviously capable person like a helpless child is patronizing and disrespectful, and if she does not want to be treated that way, to imply there is something medically wrong with her is beyond words.
that being said, I have no problem humoring my man when he feels chest pounding pride for killing a scary bug for me. but he still knows I could do it myself. and that's what attracts him to me.
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What I'm looking for is a man whom I agree with on a majority of important issues, but that fills in for me in areas where I'm not as skilled (emtionally, mentally and physically). In turn, I do the same for him.
So I don't think I'm looking so much for an equal relationship as much as I'm looking for a balanced one.
Okay, and he's got to be sexy, too. In his own way.
Wise people saying wise things.
My less worthy contribution is this: I don't seek a relationship based on mutual need, it sounds co-dependent and unhealthy to me. I'm looking for someone who can stand on their own two feet, as I can, but really wants to be with me and I really want to be with him too.
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