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I'm "friends" with a woman who I would love to be in a relationship with. I use the term friend loosely because I'm not sure exactly what we are. Its sort of a complicated situation so if you have a minute to read this (especially the ladies) I would love some input. For the purpose of this story we will call her Karen.
I met Karen Halloween last year. I met her through an old highschool fling that I'm still pretty good friends with. We hit it it off within the first night and by the 3rd date we were becoming affectionate with eachother. Nothing more serious then deep kissing. Karen isn't from Canada. She was here scouting out schools and had to go back mid November 2008. I visited her and her family (a pretty big step for me) in January while they were on vacation in the Caribbean. The trip wasn't very good. I would say there was clearly a mutual attraction between us and still some of that chemistry left because she seemed positive about me kissing her the few times I actually got too. Unfortunately her parents weren't having any of it and basically kept her under their thumb the entire trip. So that was that. She went back to her country, we chatted over the Internet for the 8 months she was gone, and always kept it brief but positive and cheerful.
Karen is back now. We went out maybe two weeks after she returned and things were great. We had some drinks, some laughs and stayed up until about 4am. Around 330 I tried to lean in for the kiss and she wasnt having it. I'm far from a pushy guy, so I respected her space and left her alone. I figure the magic is gone, and thats okay. I'm not superman. Here is were I get confused. She still contacts me almost everyday. We get together pretty often. We go out or stay in and it seems she is always looking for excuses to pet my shoulder, touch my face, run her fingers through my hair, etc. Two nights ago she invited me over to spend the night because her parents are gone and she was too "scared" to sleep. I went over. I made another move and got shut down. She constantly tells me how much she loves me too, but I guess there are verying degrees of love.
I doubt she wants affection from me or she would have responded to my attempts. Maybe I'm reading too much into the positive signals and not enough into the negative ones. Or maybe shes just using me because shes out of town and doesn't know anyone yet. School just started afterall.
Any ideas no matter how crazy they seem would be appreciated.

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- September 8th, 2009, 08:56 pm
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how old are you and karen?
- September 8th, 2009, 09:18 pm
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Im 25 and she is 22.
- September 8th, 2009, 09:24 pm
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I would have thought that you guys are 15 or 16 years old. Between the two of of you there dose not seem to be any communications, but I would have to say since you are the older male, do you have the ability to define your thoughts and feelings? Do you have any sexual desires with regard to her? Now can the same thing be said about her to you?

Why not have a nice lunch with her and discuss all of this with her as two mature adults and not teenagers. I would take a pad and make a list of ten things that you want to discuss with her and ask her to do the same.
I would also point out that she is a tease and plays games like a teenie bopper with the kissing. Her parents want to control her and may not think that you're good enough for her? Why waste your time and energy if she is just playing games. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose by having a heart to heart talk with her. Good Luck.

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Disclaimer: nothing posted here is directed at anyone of either gender or anyone else for that matter.

This story sounds like one person is a high school junior, and another may be a middle school student and they are not sure what their future holds.


- September 9th, 2009, 08:27 am
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Wow, I'm sorry to have offended all the blue hairs out there with my childish concerns that obviously are of little importance to you. Its good to know that any problem, no matter how inconsequential, is given proper consideration by all forum members. Thanks for nothing.



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The end of your post is probably correct. I think I should just stop wasting my time and energy. Chances are after 3 months of University she will most likely have another guy filling my shoes.
- September 9th, 2009, 12:11 pm
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the only thing i can tell you is to have a real conversation with her. tell her how you feel and what you'd like to come out of all of this, but be prepared i have done this and ended up with the "you're my friend and nothing else" speech. it hurts and everyone here basically said i should cut off all communication, but this guy my best friend so we still hang out but it does hurt me. if you need to talk just email me. im not an expert but i can listen and try to help.
- September 9th, 2009, 01:04 pm
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JT84 wrote :
Wow, I'm sorry to have offended all the blue hairs out there with my childish concerns that obviously are of little importance to you. Its good to know that any problem, no matter how inconsequential, is given proper consideration by all forum members. Thanks for nothing.



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The end of your post is probably correct. I think I should just stop wasting my time and energy. Chances are after 3 months of University she will most likely have another guy filling my shoes.
You do yourself a disservice by selling yourself short, also by assuming her thoughts for her and never being upfront about your feelings. Out of sight does not mean that your out of her thoughts. You seen like a quality guy and that's something for her to compare against the guys that you meet at school.

If she were easy to seduce and no less easy to kiss, you would not have posted asking for a few opinions. Make a lunch or brunch date with her and tell her absence makes the heart grow fonder and in your case it's true. You've had a chance to miss her and you wanted to know if it's mutual? Be specific with your questions, since you and she are already friends and will probably remain so there is no down side!

(I would sit down with a pad and pen and make up some meaningful questions with her possible answers or come backers so you don't stumble and fumble the opportunity.)

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- September 9th, 2009, 01:10 pm
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Harvey7 wrote :
You do yourself a disservice by selling yourself short, also by assuming her thoughts for her and never being upfront about your feelings. Out of sight does not mean that your out of her thoughts. You seen like a quality guy and that's something for her to compare against the guys that you meet at school.

If she were easy to seduce and no less easy to kiss, you would not have posted asking for a few opinions. Make a lunch or brunch date with her and tell her absence makes the heart grow fonder and in your case it's true. You've had a chance to miss her and you wanted to know if it's mutual? Be specific with your questions, since you and she are already friends and will probably remain so there is no down side!

(I would sit down with a pad and pen and make up some meaningful questions with her possible answers or come backers so you don't stumble and fumble the opportunity.)

Harvey7.

JT, Harvey is making good sense here.
Do the lunch, bring the list.
- September 9th, 2009, 02:21 pm
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I'd like to retract my previous statement. Thank you Harvey, and thank you everyone who gave me their constructive opinions. You guys have given me some excellent food for thought. I can already tell these forums are invaluable and will help me out greatly in the future. Kudos to you all.
- September 9th, 2009, 04:30 pm
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