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Hi there. It took a lot of tears to end up coming here for advice but I'm hoping I can get some real world insight to help me make a decision. I've been seeing a guy for over 8 months now and I'll try to give a bit of backstory.

I've lived with someone and have been in a longer relationship than he has, he's been in a several year long relationship but has never been this serious about someone. He's still at the point where he doesn't think about moving in or longer commitment yet. I obviously do but I don't ask or expect any of this for him, and he knows that. I'm content with things now.

The problem is how immature and inconsiderate he can be. This guy is someone who I genuinely fell head over heels for. We have so much in common, yet he's so different from anyone I had ever dated. He does all the small things... brings me flowers every month or two, is always offering to drive me to appointments or work, he tells me I'm beautiful every day... and while these things are all wonderful and already overshooting my expectations, my issue is with how he talks to me. He does all this great gentlemanly stuff, seems like the most caring guy around, yet he talks to me like one of the guys. He is rude, selfish, inconsiderate... he knows I'm a little sensitive but when he says something that I acknowledge hurts me, he says "whatever" or just brushes it off. And this repeats over and over.

I don't want him to change who he is. That's not what I want and that's not why I love him, but is it too much to ask to be interacted with like a long term girlfriend, not just a friend? He never apologizes or when he does it's the next day after a night of it escalating and me ending up very upset.

For some smaller incidents, it seems like he makes all his plans revolving around him and not me. He went to the cabin recently and said it was a guy's weekend. He got me to write down the directions from his friend but the friend was surprised when I said I wasn't coming, they all assumed I was, then when he was back from the lake I found out there were other girls there (none of which there's any chance of him cheating, but still).

Recently HE suggested we plan a trip together for next summer. We talked about money, where to go, if we should go with other people, and I've never seen him so excited about anything as he was about OUR trip! He even said we should try to learn a language together, and we agreed if we plan this and something else happens we'd go as friends, just in case. This all sounded great, but then the next day he was suddenly really reserved about it. He doesn't think it's a good idea we go away together (we already have, a big road trip together and also flew somewhere else in the country with one of his friends). What the heck just happened here?!

I hope I'm not just blinding in seeing things going downhill, because I genuinely don't want to let this one go. Not yet. I'm ready and open to do or say anything I can to make him understand how I feel. Yes I have tried talking to him and telling him how I feel he's treating me, but his response is either "call me when you calm down" or "driving you around, telling you you're beautiful, etc isn't enough?" How do I get through?! I just have no idea to get him to show me a little more respect when he talks to me because so far I'm not going anywhere and am ready to walk away.
Do you REALLY enjoy feeling like a doormat? I hope you get the courage and walk away... Your being used. Why on earth would you go along with HIS agenda, are you so desperate????
- August 18th, 2009, 10:31 pm
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Seems like a pretty immature guy.

From a guy's perspective, if I really care about a girl, I would make sure she is happy. I'd need my space sometimes, but if I'm in love with her, I would probably put her above my friends.

I'd still make time for my friends, but she'd come first. It's nice that he does the little things, like bring flowers or something, but sometimes even the little things can't cover up for the certain deficiencies.

It seems like you try to talk to him about your feelings, but if he isn't the type to sit down and talk to you, maybe you should tell him you will look for someone who will. Maybe if you aren't screaming at him and have a calm conversation it would help (I don't know how your conversations go, if there are flower pots being thrown).

I know some guys who will treat girls a certain way - guys think that if they act like a bad boy - it elicits more emotions - hate, love, anger, etc. They think as long as the girl is thinking about them, it keeps them in command.

Compare it to a nice guy - you only get one, love. You have to ask, is this what you want? or do you want a bad boy.

Sure there is some in between, but I think your boyfriend really doesn't want commitment, and if you do, then you should probably look elsewhere. If you both are young and happy with just hanging out, maybe you should just stay.

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- August 19th, 2009, 01:03 am
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Maturity is not the issue. He is selfish and just not into you for more than what he can get . His "plans" with you are proposed to get you to do something he wants, then they are put on the back burner...why? bait and switch. He is manipulating you to get his way . Accept or not accept? Also not the issue, what you "accept" is when he is sweet-talking you to get what he wants, what you "don't accept" is when he pulls the bait and switch, to get what he wants. He's using you for fun and games , with just enough to keep you around, not more . Watch and test him for making and sticking to plans with and promises to you, see what he does, see how many excuses suddenly come up.... That's your answer...
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Do you REALLY enjoy feeling like a doormat? I hope you get the courage and walk away... Your being used. Why on earth would you go along with HIS agenda, are you so desperate????
- August 19th, 2009, 04:31 am
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Sorry to say,but you have a relationship of convenience! When he has something better to do he dose it without you, and went it's convenient he spend time with you so you can service his needs.
You are responsible for the way he treats you! You allowed him to trash you and didn't throw him out, so it showed him it was OK to treat you like dirt!

He will never change and going on the joint trip is going to cost you money he will con you into loaning him money, which he will give you when you get back home! (Never Happen!) Throwing you a compliment or flowers every couple of months is an insult. It's you that has to grow up and dump him or it's all going to be All Bad for you! You know that or you would not be posting on the advice board.

Move on your beating a dead horse!

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IMO, your best bet is to move on. He couldn't change and stop being immature, overnight, even if he wanted to. His experiences in life so far have shaped who he is, and it will take many more experiences to help him become more mature (if he even wants to). I would move on.
- August 23rd, 2009, 08:03 am
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Harvey7 wrote :
Sorry to say,but you have a relationship of convenience! When he has something better to do he dose it without you, and went it's convenient he spend time with you so you can service his needs.

You are responsible for the way he treats you! You allowed him to trash you and didn't throw him out, so it showed him it was OK to treat you like dirt!
I can't think of a better way to put this. It's a very big convenience for him.
- August 23rd, 2009, 11:52 am
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He is totally taking you for granted. Its pretty obvious that you are doing all of the work in the relationship and he apparently expects it.

He throws you a couple of tokens ("beautiful" and flowers every couple of months) and expects it to make the rest okay.

He is who he is today. Take him or leave him. I personally would have said goodbye long ago.



^^^This...He is taking you for granted and he has other issues which would only hurt you more down the road. He will mature given a few years and a few lessons in life, but do you really want to submit yourself to this? A guy who truly loves you will "cherish" you....I put that in quotations cause it's such an important word. The dictionary describes cherish as:

1 a : to hold dear : feel or show affection for <cherished her friends> b : to keep or cultivate with care and affection : nurture <cherishes his marriage>
2 : to entertain or harbor in the mind deeply and resolutely cherishes that memory>
- August 24th, 2009, 02:49 pm
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I don't see how I can read that he is so immature from the OP except to take her word for it.

She may be overly sensitive & no he should not apologize if being upset is highly unnecessary. Just because someone gets upset does not mean that it is reasonable to do so.

8 Months can be enough time to decide to move in together but for many that is not nearly enough. It does depend on the progression of the relationship & it does not sound like they are even approaching that stage yet.

It is pretty hard to see the extent of his immaturity & selfishness from the given information.

I would not stay in a relationship where something was missing so only the person in it can decide what they will deal with.
- August 24th, 2009, 04:41 pm
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