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My view is consistent with wishamee's. You didn't seek to read her journal (i.e., you didn't know it was her journal when you opened it). Right or wrong, there are few people who wouldn't take a second look once they saw their name on the page. You know that you shouldn't have done it, and you have no intention of doing it again.

This is not a catastrophe or a sign that you are somehow of grossly flawed character. You simply are not perfect and made a mistake.

It sounds like you are both holding back on communicating your needs and fears with each other (perhaps to protect the other; perhaps to maintain some sort of image in front of the other, perhaps simply because you both are so aversive to conflict).

Why in heaven's name haven't you been more specific with her about your medical costs? You are denying her the opportunity to provide you with support, and are creating a situation that causes doubt to arise in her mind. At the same time, it sounds like she is not making you aware of how she needs support (perhaps hoping that you will just "know").

You are at a sort of juncture in your relationship -- a stage where it can become deeper and more emotionally intimate. Or not. If you two can use this time to connect with each other more deeply, then your relationship will move forward.

Regarding the lack of fighting or arguing... It really isn't required that people fight with each other, and lots of couples never fight (I'm thinking of fighting as yelling at each other, calling each other names, etc.). It's a problem, though, if you are both so focused on keeping things on an even keel that you are never willing or able to bring up an important issue about which there might be disagreement. Of course, disagreement does not have to lead to fighting -- differences can be resolved more calmly and less hurtfully than that. But, if an argument (or even a fight) does ensue, that's not the end of the world...

I remember when you first reported on the boards here that you had met this woman and how excited you were about it. It's nice to see that your relationship continued to develop and that you are still together. You've hit a roadbump now (they are inevitable), but it's not one that you shouldn't get able to get through if the relationship is a priority.

Good luck with your talk during your camping trip next week!
- August 6th, 2009, 09:37 am
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Why in heaven's name haven't you been more specific with her about your medical costs?
this is one of the more respectable things that he has done. he didnt want to burden her. hes being a typical man, for which he is to be commended.

i still think he needs to come clean though. i agree that he sounds like a fundamentally decent guy and no question in my mind that his intentions are good, but concealing what he did with her journal is simply wrong, especially with someone that he is considering a lifetime relationship
- August 6th, 2009, 10:07 am
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I don't agree with the posters above who called you some crummy names. I think you are sounding like a decent person who want to figure out the best thing to do now that you have screwed up a bit.
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I don't think i called him any names but if that's the impression i gave then i apologize for it.
- August 6th, 2009, 10:25 am
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To the OP,

Wow. You've placed yourself in a classic catch-22, haven't you? I don't envy you, because you'll probably feel some discomfort no matter what choice you make. If I was on the receiving end of information that my date had read my personal journal, I'd be furious. Yet if I'd done something (like read a personal journal) that I felt was wrong, I'd also feel the need to confess. Having said that, we all make mistakes (speaking for myself) and hopefully live to learn from them. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
- August 6th, 2009, 12:35 pm
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You definitely violated one of relationship's cardinal rules with snooping. I suggest you own up to not only your snooping but using that information to change yourself in her eyes. Then sit back and take your medicine which most likely will be your walking papers.
- August 6th, 2009, 02:15 pm
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And just a quick note to every one on this message board in general. I know we feel that we're secure behind our computer screens, and that we can just post what ever we want, but you really should think about other people's feelings before you just start ripping into some one and calling them a Jerk.

My medical bills are the result of a suicide attempt last Fall, and I'm not saying I'm in a position of wanting to hurt my self again, but if I was, these posts would only accelerate those feelings, and it would be pretty cruddy to know that your hurtful replies were the straw that broke the camel's back.
- August 6th, 2009, 08:46 pm
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Harvey7 wrote :
Dear Dr.ICECREAM, What are you smoking these days?
What dos her Mother have to do with any of this? How about making a Vodo Doll of him, to stick pins into?
QUACK QUACK! (Pornography Ducks?)

Harvey7.
Some thruth weed, maybe?

Voodoo dolls are not much use to me. My philosophies are much more simple -
If you do something wrong to another person, you have to do everything in your power to correct it - physically, emotionally and psychologically.

Morals and ethics are not there to be questioned. They are either there, inside us, or not. They guide us in our thoughts and actions. Sometimes we veer off the path - our morals and ethics are there to guide us back on the right path. In most cases, the only thing preventing that from happening is fear. Some people choose to live their lives in fear, others fight to overcome it and return to the right path to enjoy life.

My personal philosophy here is that simple. Implementing it is not. Yet, the choice is there to me made.

But thanks for the educational lesson anyway. have fun with the ducks and the dolls.
- August 6th, 2009, 09:36 pm
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Thanks to all that posted constructive feed back. I know I messed up and made a mistake, but I'm trying to learn from this and turn it into a positive. The big thing I'm walking away with is knowing the her and I need to communicate better, and this past week we have been opening up a lot more, so that is positive. I'm coming away from this with a positve attitude, and a better person.

To all the people who posted mean and offensive posts, I know this is just a message board you can hide behind, but it's time that you grow up a little. We are all adults here, and mean spirited comments are not welcomed. You also need to think of some ones feeling before you post, and I should know since I have survived a suiced attempt.
- August 7th, 2009, 11:36 am
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Fergie_Racer wrote :
Thanks to all that posted constructive feed back. I know I messed up and made a mistake, but I'm trying to learn from this and turn it into a positive. The big thing I'm walking away with is knowing the her and I need to communicate better, and this past week we have been opening up a lot more, so that is positive. I'm coming away from this with a positve attitude, and a better person.

To all the people who posted mean and offensive posts, I know this is just a message board you can hide behind, but it's time that you grow up a little. We are all adults here, and mean spirited comments are not welcomed. You also need to think of some ones feeling before you post, and I should know since I have survived a suiced attempt.
I'm with all of those who are willing to cut you a break. We all screw up from time to time. We are up here merely to offer what insight we may have and perhaps dispense a bit of advice. I think that it is inappropriate for anyone to jump down a perfect stranger's throat on these boards because no one up here is a personal confidante who has earned the right to do that. And the fact that some have done so has put me firmly in your camp. You can now do no wrong in my eyes. (It's the mother bear in me ).

I firmly believe that if I am going to write something in my journal that could potentially hurt someone else that I am required to take a personal responsibility for those words and make sure that they do not fall into that person's hands. I might leave my wallet and keys on the table in a moment of haste but I would NEVER leave my journal out in the open, especially if I am chronicling my concerns about someone that I care about.

Whether she left it out on purpose or not, if you went directly to dinner after reading it and addressed the specific concerns that she wrote about in her journal she may very well have done the math and put it together either during that conversation or when she got back home and saw her journal sitting beside the computer. I know that I certainly would have. The possibility does exist that she is waiting for you to fess up and the longer you wait to clear the air the more serious the issue can become.

Regardless, I do get the feeling that your conscience is not going to give you a complete pass on this and it could wind up biting you in the keester one day. If you want to avoid that you are going to have to come clean. It might be prudent to tell her that there is something that is bothering your conscience (validating the fact that you actually DO have a conscience, which is a rare and precious gift these days) and then explain the sequence of events just as you have here. Apologize sincerely and tell her that it is your desire to work through any concerns that she may have because you care about her and that you are truly interested in building a lasting relationship with her. Going through this will also allow you to assess her capacity for compassion, which is another rare and precious gift these days.

In the early phase of a relationship both parties have a lot to prove to one another. No one's perfect. We will ALL screw up from time to time, simply because we are human. That is part of the process that you have to go through in order to build up the trust in one another that is essential to a successful relationship. There will be a lot of mistakes, confessions, apologies and forgiveness along the way. Be honest. Be sincere. Be understanding. Be patient. If you do that, even if the relationship doesn't succeed you will still be able to walk away from it without shame or regret. Take good care of yourself so that you can be strong enough take care of her as you would like.

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- August 7th, 2009, 08:47 pm
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Fergie_Racer wrote :
My medical bills are the result of a sui___de attempt last Fall, and I'm not saying I'm in a position of wanting to hurt my self again, but if I was, these posts would only accelerate those feelings, and it would be pretty cruddy to know that your hurtful replies were the straw that broke the camel's back.
I'm glad that you have gotten the help you need to move forward from an especially dark time in your life.

At some point this is something that you're going to have to share with your girlfriend as well; it's too important a part of your recent past to ignore. And, it's just important that your partner be aware of your health risks (e.g., depression) so she can support you in staying healthy.

Do take good care of yourself...
- August 7th, 2009, 10:11 pm
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