SisterCassie is offline SisterCassie Post #1  July 8,2009, 6:44am
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I will say, from my own experience, I've heard some people judge others without a whole lot of knowledge. For example, a guy I know was going on and on about his ex and making some derogatory comments in regards to her having an STD. I finally asked what she had, and he said she found out she had HPV. I just had to laugh, because clearly this guy didn't realize that there is no FDA-approved test for the HPV virus in men (or any symptoms) -- so in all likelihood, it was HIM who had actually given it to her. He was writing her off as "dirty", when in fact she was walking around with a virus that about 50-80% of the population has at any given time, most of the time without knowing it.
This is really an important point so I moved it out of the other thread. The HPV virus is the most common cause of cervical cancer in women. Exposing someone to this virus without forewarning her could be as consequential as exposing someone to HIV. In the long-term, if untreated (and possibly even if treated, as some women's immune systems are unable to fight it off), the virus could prove as deadly. There is also the factor that men can carry viruses without symptoms, which is every reason men should get checked regularly. The HPV virus also is linked to most anal cancers.

The STD discussion is an important one that not enough people have. Knowing how uncomfortable or uninterested some people are in having the conversation makes for a pretty dangerous dating world. Personally, I would rather be celibate than dead.

I do know people who have HSV who are living normal, happy and a lot more (shall we say) "active" lifestyles than me. Good for them. I do respect people for disclosing their situation. It is how they treat the conversation (cavalierly like it's no big deal, or seriously and compassionately) that would determine my actions. It should definitely be my choice whether to take the risk and how to be involved in precautions.

Unlike the guy mentioned in the quoted post above, people should be sensitive to someone who has disclosed a virus, and it is that person's responsibility to be sensitive to the person who is at risk for acquiring it.
 
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You're right that HPV is the leading cause of cervical cancer.

But my point is -- men CAN'T get checked regularly because there is no test available. (Women are tested through the scraping of cervical cells -- there is no equivalent as of yet for men.) So, there really is no way for a man to know whether he does or does not have the virus (which is why it's so prevalent within society -- and why the vaccine for young girls was introduced.)

The only advice most doctors will give women is to continue to get regular pap smears and to do the proper follow-up if you get an abnormal result. Many women's immune systems will fight off the virus over time -- but not always -- which makes it nearly impossible to track when or where you were infected.
 
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If a man has experienced visible symptoms in the past, he knows it and should disclose it and should have it checked. Just because there are currently no signs or symptoms does not mean someone has not been exposed or is not at risk for transmitting as you indicated.

Add penile and oropharyngeal cancer to the list of possible outcomes.

I don't like the idea that only women have a responsibility here. Some things I have read suggest that men just don't have to worry too much, which is absolutely the wrong message. Another site seemed to suggest that once you pass the virus back and forth between each other, you're on even ground. Oy.

Hopefully net traffic to sites that educate people on this stuff will see increased activity today. Based on your guy friend and some comments in the other thread, there is still a disconcerting lack of awareness and realisic concern.
 
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I don't disagree that awareness is key -- but I'm not sure we're really talking about the same thing.

HPV is actually a term for several viruses. Some of those strains cause genital warts. Yes, if a man has symptoms of these he should be checked and disclose this condition to his partner.

But other strains of HPV lead to the cancers you're referring to. There are no symptoms in men and no test available for men. The strains that lead to cancer and the strains that lead to genital warts are NOT the same.
 
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blrdancer wrote :
I don't disagree that awareness is key -- but I'm not sure we're really talking about the same thing.

HPV is actually a term for several viruses. Some of those strains cause genital warts. Yes, if a man has symptoms of these he should be checked and disclose this condition to his partner.

But other strains of HPV lead to the cancers you're referring to. There are no symptoms in men and no test available for men. The strains that lead to cancer and the strains that lead to genital warts are NOT the same.
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This is 100% true. Additionally, HPV can also be transferred during child birth and through other skin to skin contact, so it isn't JUST a sexually transmitted disease, and a condom isn't necessarily enough to prevent one from getting it. There are so many strains of this disease, and the strains linked to any kind of cancer are the ones that are the least demonstrative of their presence.
 
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Now I learned something. The CDC site confirms what you are saying. And it doesn't make me feel better!

While we're at it, add spontaneous abortion, stillbirths and congenital birth defects to possible outcomes of HSV.

Some of these issues were not covered in as much detail as others in material I have read previously. It sure doesn't look like it's getting better.

BTW, I read recently that a study showed users of dating sites were more likely to have STDs than those who do not use the sites. Should make some people feel a whole lot better now! not
 
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Now I learned something. The CDC site confirms what you are saying. And it doesn't make me feel better!

While we're at it, add spontaneous abortion, stillbirths and congenital birth defects to possible outcomes of HSV.

Some of these issues were not covered in as much detail as others in material I have read previously. It sure doesn't look like it's getting better.

BTW, I read recently that a study showed users of dating sites were more likely to have STDs than those who do not use the sites. Should make some people feel a whole lot better now! not
Look at all the of posts by people who say they've been played by the people they've met...it doesn't surprise me at all that this might be the case.
 
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