justme41 is offline justme41 Post #1  June 17,2009, 12:02pm
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I really appreciate all of the replies about this issue. Okay so I asked him last night what exactly is it that he doesn't trust me about. His response was that I didn't hold up my end of the deal with my car. Let me give you some background on that....about 18 months ago he co-signed for me to get a car. I made all the payments on time except for this past March and April. He told me to let him know if I was ever having a hard time and couldn't make the payment because he didn't want it to effect his credit. I told him that I needed help in March but he told me to figure it out since he wasn't in any position to help me. I couldn't come up with the payment for those 2 months so it became over 30 days late and therefore went on his credit report. My mom ended up loaning me the money to get caught up so I wouldn't lose my car but the following week he told me to just bring him the car so he could try and sell it yet we are both on the loan papers. I owe twice as much as the car is worth so if he does sell it he will take a big hit on it and lose a lot of money. I never wanted that to happen to him, I never wanted it to go on his credit and that is why I asked him for help to begin with. The car was late on the registration by a month because I couldn't even afford to register it. I just needed a little help to get back on track and now I'm having to drive the car I gave to my daughter which isn't very reliable. I lost all the money that I have put into making payments for 18 months plus the money I put down on it. He is letting one of his friends drive it and make payments to him, and he even went and got the brakes done and paid for the registration. Why couldn't he have just helped me?

With all that said, he tells me that he didn't sign on to support me financially. I have kids from a previous marriage, and he does as well but I never once asked him to take care of me or my kids. Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm hurt that I no longer have my car and even more hurt that he is okay with it.

So that is why he said he doesn't trust me!! OUCH!!!
 
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All I will say is this -- he should not have co-signed for your car. If you two were married or well on your way down the altar, that's one thing. But co-signing for people is risky at any time, let alone when you're just dating them. It carries legal implications that often will survive many relationships.

Life happens, and it sounds like life happened to you. I'm sorry you are going through that, and hope that you are on your way back on track. However, I can understand why he isn't happy about the situation. But he also needs to be upset with himself for agreeing to this arrangement.

It is very possible that he is looking at the big picture here and sees this situation as a sign of things to come...namely, him being adversely affected by situations surrounding his relationship with you.

Curious as to what others will think...
 
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I'm sorry for the tough situation you are in. Both of you made poor decisions; it sounds that you bought too much car, when you were having difficulty affording gas and registration.

Your boyfriend though is the one sitting fat and happy. The two of you together did not resolve this situation. I don't understand why you just did what he said: returned the car to him. Is he going to sell it to his friend? Where is your say so?

If I were in your shoes and even as it won't be easy, I would reimburse him for the registration and the brake job, and pay his friend the amount of the car payment he made, rather than passively allow him (them) to make my decisions for me. Did you discuss this w/ your b/f and agree? Are you willing to kiss goodbye your 18 months of payments and down payment? Does your boyfriend have an equal monetary investment in your car? What real financial risk did he take? Yes, it did affect his credit (he chose to take this risk); credit can be repaired; trust (necessarily) can't; which he also violated, beginning w/ his empty words of telling you to come to him if you needed help and then giving the car to his friend. Has he cosigned for women before--the ones he "complained" about? This situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't agree w/ tbesq though regarding marriage; a license and a certificate, the church and society do not assume responsibility for another's car payment, student loans, mortgage, etc. The individual(s) entering into the marriage do as to what each agrees to support. Just b/c someone says I do and has a certificate doesn't mean they are saying I do to another's person's debts and responsibilities.
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He didn't put any money into this car until just recently, like I said. The issue now is that he will lose money if he tries to sell it because of the worth of the car vs what is owed on it. It affected my credit as well. I don't know why I even gave him the car to begin with, I guess I just didn't want to hurt him anymore if I couldn't pay on time. I'm just hurt, as I'm sure he is as well. We are still seeing eachother but I have some anger about all of this yet I don't feel I have the right to express it to him.
 
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You have a right to your feelings and the right to express them appropriately; I'd feel angry too. Get past the hurt and find a solution.

I am confused as to how he will lose money. Is he going to pay for half of the upside down worth?

You were late on two payments; not the end of the world. What can you do to solve the problem you face today?
 
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I'm a little bit confused by your post so I apologize in advance if I'm not getting the facts quite right.

1) Your boyfriend co-signed for a car loan for you on condition that if you get into financial trouble you will inform him and ask him for help. Honestly that was pretty foolish of him and would be equally foolish for you to do for someone else as well. Things like that are best kept separate. Now it is possible that he knew that what he is doing is stupid but felt like he was emotionaly blackmailed into it, and I can understand that he is angry and resentful and in a bit of a "I knew this was going to happen mode". If that's not the case, then he is being a controlling jerk. Ultimately, regardless of the underlying motivation, he did take the chance that you can default and he'll be left with the consequences. He even took on the possibility that you two can break up and you could deliberately surrender the car and leave him responsible for the balance. So, he needs to accept personal responsibility for this. Pointing a finger at you and blaming trust is just a little absurd and not exactly the way adults handle problems.

2) You defaulted on two payments, but then actually made them up. You also told him as per your agreement that you were in trouble, however he either refused or was not in a financial position to help you out. Well....life happens and you are not to blame. Sounds like he knew what was about to happen and did nothing about it.

3) You did find the means to catch up on the payments and brought the account current. Here is where I'm getting lost -can you afford to continue to make the payments or not? Did his friend take over the car and the payments because you cannot pay for it at all? Or did you just give up the car for no good reason? Yes, the above hiccup in finances is not a good reason if you are able to continue as before. Now if you cannot make the payments then he is helping you and himself out by getting the car off your both backs. If that is not the situation and you can pay for the car as normal, then time for you to get a backbone and get your car back.

I don't really understand why you feel so guilty about this. This is not something that you did deliberately unless there is more to this story. Once again, you two need to sit down and have an adult conversation about the loan, about the situation, about finances and come to an understanding and an agreement on how things like this will be handled in the future. Him telling you that he won't support you financially, etc. sounds off key to me. It does not seem like you are asking him to do so, therefore his attitude is a bit uncalled for.
 
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He didn't put any money into this car until just recently, like I said. The issue now is that he will lose money if he tries to sell it because of the worth of the car vs what is owed on it. It affected my credit as well. I don't know why I even gave him the car to begin with, I guess I just didn't want to hurt him anymore if I couldn't pay on time. I'm just hurt, as I'm sure he is as well. We are still seeing eachother but I have some anger about all of this yet I don't feel I have the right to express it to him.

Hello, I am new here, but I had a similiar situation happen a few yrs back in my current relationship and I couldn't help but want to share my experience and maybe some insight with you.

I however in my experience financed the entire loan for my b/f as he could not after damaged credit from a previous divorce and lord knows what else. Much I did not know at the time, but he had moved in with me and my daughter, I was head over heals and thought we were getting married down the road. He also convinced me to get myself a new car too, hence I financed over 40 grand on a almost minimum wage income, but I had worked hard to repair my credit from my past and it had reached near perfect a 798 score so everyone wanted to sell to me at he time. The payment for mine was much higher then my previous loan too but he promised to pay the diff on mine, "just hurry up so we can go". Well, he never helped me. He did pay his on time for 3yrs except for one, while I continuously struggled to keep my car. Then he took the car and moved states away to Vegas of all places after loosing his license from multiple dui's. I was FREAKING out. Everything in my name etc. I then like a fool in love, followed him, car packed with my daughter. 4monthes later I left and moved back to my home town. He eventually followed me, but let the car be reposessed with 3yrs left on the loan. I believe the bank has written it off now, but they called me wanting 8,000.00 and of course, nothing I could do about that. All in all, my credit is horribly scarred from that and other things he put in my name without my permission and left me holding the bag and my car always behind or late etc. You all may ask, what is this girl thinking still being with him, yes "I know", love makes a fool. As for your problem, he "co signed" which means, your name should be on it too and this "other friend" driving it, making payment or not, is putting you both in jeopardy, legally/financially. If their insurance gets dropped, they don't carry high enough premium, they lose their license, or really hurt someone, etc. It comes back on both of you. He is a "co signer". That doesn't give him the only "say". You have the money invested and your name on it too! You absolutely SHOULD be hurt that he doesn't seem to care. Honey, woman to woman, he is not looking out for YOUR best interest or your daughters. Only his. It's not right, but it's where you are at and I still have times like that in my relationship as well. As much as you care for him and probably still will, just like I do for mine, I can tell you first hand, you have got to look out for yourself FIRST, then your daughter. His opinion/feelings come 3rd. Just as yours are not first on his list "in this case". If you can't afford to reimburse the fellow driving it currently, let him finish out the month and go REPO your own car. I have a friend who owns a repo company, actually the one who repo'd the one I financed my b/f and mine has been repo'd twice and luckily i've managed to convince the bank to give it back. I now have 5 payments left. You have every right to do it. Your b/f is just gonna have to suck it up if his credit gets a little damaged or be a real man and help out once in a while. That's the choice he made signing in the first place. That doesn't mean "taking care of you/your kids" forever. It means be your "friend, be there when times are tough". I pay all my own bills and half the rent costs, but he helps out once in a while. Sometimes it's just a short term loan, but the effort goes both ways when someone really cares. Not just you worrying about him getting hurt or his credit. He will probably get upset when you take the car back, but you are upset now and no skin off his nose right? He'll get over it eventually. Like I said, he really has no choice since both your names are on it. Why sit back and let your investment go to waste and be stuck in a car that could die at anytime anywhere? Not to mention, if you couldn't finance it on your own before, how will you get anything better now? I am a true giver, lover, bleeding heart, whatever ppl want to call it. I'm saving the world, but one day I woke up and realized that, I can still help ppl and walk lightly on their feelings, but first I had to find that "backbone" ppl close to me kept talking about and put myself and my daughter first and if it doesn't hurt us or have a possible negative future effect, then absolutely I help anyway I can. Just keep telling yourself this, the door MUST swing BOTH ways, in any relationship whether it's romantic or even just a girlfriend. That doesn't mean the relationship must end, it means don't put yourself out on a limb for someone who isn't holding out their hand to catch you! If he wants to play the cop out about supporting you fine, just don't give more then you are getting. Financially/emotionally/physically. Best of luck. I truely know how you are feeling. I am sorry and wish I could give you more then just words from the heart. Keep your chin up!

Sincerely, dragonflydreams=)
 
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Hello, I am new here, but I had a similiar situation happen a few yrs back in my current relationship and I couldn't help but want to share my experience and maybe some insight with you.

I however in my experience financed the entire loan for my b/f as he could not after damaged credit from a previous divorce and lord knows what else. Much I did not know at the time, but he had moved in with me and my daughter, I was head over heals and thought we were getting married down the road. He also convinced me to get myself a new car too, hence I financed over 40 grand on a almost minimum wage income, but I had worked hard to repair my credit from my past and it had reached near perfect a 798 score so everyone wanted to sell to me at he time. The payment for mine was much higher then my previous loan too but he promised to pay the diff on mine, "just hurry up so we can go". Well, he never helped me. He did pay his on time for 3yrs except for one, while I continuously struggled to keep my car. Then he took the car and moved states away to Vegas of all places after loosing his license from multiple dui's. I was FREAKING out. Everything in my name etc. I then like a fool in love, followed him, car packed with my daughter. 4monthes later I left and moved back to my home town. He eventually followed me, but let the car be reposessed with 3yrs left on the loan. I believe the bank has written it off now, but they called me wanting 8,000.00 and of course, nothing I could do about that. All in all, my credit is horribly scarred from that and other things he put in my name without my permission and left me holding the bag and my car always behind or late etc. You all may ask, what is this girl thinking still being with him, yes "I know", love makes a fool. As for your problem, he "co signed" which means, your name should be on it too and this "other friend" driving it, making payment or not, is putting you both in jeopardy, legally/financially. If their insurance gets dropped, they don't carry high enough premium, they lose their license, or really hurt someone, etc. It comes back on both of you. He is a "co signer". That doesn't give him the only "say". You have the money invested and your name on it too! You absolutely SHOULD be hurt that he doesn't seem to care. Honey, woman to woman, he is not looking out for YOUR best interest or your daughters. Only his. It's not right, but it's where you are at and I still have times like that in my relationship as well. As much as you care for him and probably still will, just like I do for mine, I can tell you first hand, you have got to look out for yourself FIRST, then your daughter. His opinion/feelings come 3rd. Just as yours are not first on his list "in this case". If you can't afford to reimburse the fellow driving it currently, let him finish out the month and go REPO your own car. I have a friend who owns a repo company, actually the one who repo'd the one I financed my b/f and mine has been repo'd twice and luckily i've managed to convince the bank to give it back. I now have 5 payments left. You have every right to do it. Your b/f is just gonna have to suck it up if his credit gets a little damaged or be a real man and help out once in a while. That's the choice he made signing in the first place. That doesn't mean "taking care of you/your kids" forever. It means be your "friend, be there when times are tough". I pay all my own bills and half the rent costs, but he helps out once in a while. Sometimes it's just a short term loan, but the effort goes both ways when someone really cares. Not just you worrying about him getting hurt or his credit. He will probably get upset when you take the car back, but you are upset now and no skin off his nose right? He'll get over it eventually. Like I said, he really has no choice since both your names are on it. Why sit back and let your investment go to waste and be stuck in a car that could die at anytime anywhere? Not to mention, if you couldn't finance it on your own before, how will you get anything better now? I am a true giver, lover, bleeding heart, whatever ppl want to call it. I'm saving the world, but one day I woke up and realized that, I can still help ppl and walk lightly on their feelings, but first I had to find that "backbone" ppl close to me kept talking about and put myself and my daughter first and if it doesn't hurt us or have a possible negative future effect, then absolutely I help anyway I can. Just keep telling yourself this, the door MUST swing BOTH ways, in any relationship whether it's romantic or even just a girlfriend. That doesn't mean the relationship must end, it means don't put yourself out on a limb for someone who isn't holding out their hand to catch you! If he wants to play the cop out about supporting you fine, just don't give more then you are getting. Financially/emotionally/physically. Best of luck. I truely know how you are feeling. I am sorry and wish I could give you more then just words from the heart. Keep your chin up!

Sincerely, dragonflydreams=)
p.s. If you gave up the keys, find the VIN#, go to the dealership and have another one made. As long as it doesn't have a computer chip in the key it should only cost maybe 20bucks. If for some reason there is no way for you to get the car back, ie: he's not willing to budge, still wants to try to sell, demand that he take over the full loan and get your name off completely and tell him then he can do whatever he wants with it.
A good friend once asked me, "so, who's life are you living?". I tried to pussy foot around the question, not really wanting to admit the truth, but after a couple of nights mulling it over staring at the ceiling in bed, I realized my friend was right and my daughter and I were missing out on way too many things important to us. I still love my b/f, but when he goes off doing whatever, I no longer sit at home sad and certainly not waiting around. If you can find that backbone within yourself (we all have one hidden), he will actually respect you more. My b/f's comment to me after I started doing things this way (including the door must swing both ways) was this, "you seem more mature and intelligent now then ever in the time i've known you, good for you and I never thought it would happen!". Amazing huh. Have you seen the new movie out He Just Not That Into You? Very enlightning and funny film. Your daughter may enjoy watching it with you as well. Mine did. Another good one is The Story Of Us with Bruce Willis and Michelle Pfeiffer. Sneak peek into my life and good love story. Take Care
 
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Your boyfriend is a total jerk. If you can not see it he is an emotional abuser. He set you up with this business about the car and now he is punishing you for the problem he created. It is time to move on unless you like to be treated like a doormat. Good luck
 
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You drove this car for 18 months, what would a rental or other car have cost you? You have asked him multiple times to help you buy the car then help you pay for it. Why are you driving in a car you can't afford in the first place? Then ruining this guys credit by being financially irresponsible? Why didn't you use your own credit and money to buy a car you can afford rather than asking him for help? What exactly are you mad at him for, repossessing the car? He's within his legal right to do so when you default on payments, just as a car dealer would have. Live within your means and you will be happier, and people will trust and respect you. About this guy, get legal advice, if you think he owes you what you have paid into it. By the way, sounds like you're in divorce court already, not a very auspicious beginning
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I really appreciate all of the replies about this issue. Okay so I asked him last night what exactly is it that he doesn't trust me about. His response was that I didn't hold up my end of the deal with my car. Let me give you some background on that....about 18 months ago he co-signed for me to get a car. I made all the payments on time except for this past March and April. He told me to let him know if I was ever having a hard time and couldn't make the payment because he didn't want it to effect his credit. I told him that I needed help in March but he told me to figure it out since he wasn't in any position to help me. I couldn't come up with the payment for those 2 months so it became over 30 days late and therefore went on his credit report. My mom ended up loaning me the money to get caught up so I wouldn't lose my car but the following week he told me to just bring him the car so he could try and sell it yet we are both on the loan papers. I owe twice as much as the car is worth so if he does sell it he will take a big hit on it and lose a lot of money. I never wanted that to happen to him, I never wanted it to go on his credit and that is why I asked him for help to begin with. The car was late on the registration by a month because I couldn't even afford to register it. I just needed a little help to get back on track and now I'm having to drive the car I gave to my daughter which isn't very reliable. I lost all the money that I have put into making payments for 18 months plus the money I put down on it. He is letting one of his friends drive it and make payments to him, and he even went and got the brakes done and paid for the registration. Why couldn't he have just helped me?

With all that said, he tells me that he didn't sign on to support me financially. I have kids from a previous marriage, and he does as well but I never once asked him to take care of me or my kids. Maybe I'm out of line here but I'm hurt that I no longer have my car and even more hurt that he is okay with it.

So that is why he said he doesn't trust me!! OUCH!!!
 
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