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SydneyGirl is offline SydneyGirl Post #1  December 22,2008, 2:09pm
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Hello My close friend is in a very bad relationship (I think it's abusive). She knows it's bad but makes some excuses. She talks about it all the time & I don't know what to say anymore. Her partner is a compulsive liar. He lies about everything & I mean everything. She has just moved in with him & he told all of his friends that "They are just sharing & are not a couple". (I can't believe I'm even writing that!) She does everything for him & he does nothing for her. He treats her very poorly. But he is emotionally manipulative & tells her he loves her & needs her. I love my friend very much but I don't know what to say anymore? She talks about all the bad things he does & tells me how he is ashamed to tell people that he is dating her. In the past I've told her she needs to leave him & I don't like him. I hate him and have nothing positive to say about him. When she talks about all the awful things he does she gets defensive if I say anything that is too negative about him. This has been going on and off for a long time now. She keeps saying she is going to leave him but doesn't. He told her I'm not allowed in there house!! and we have been friends since school. What do I do when my friend starts talking about all the awful things that he says and does? I don't know what advise to give anymore as it doesn't change anything? I don't know how to behave around him because I love her & hate the way he treats her? Thanks
 
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The problem is she needs to help herself. There is nothing you can do unless she decides she needs help.


On your end, try doing this. Keep a journal of your observations. This way, if this thing blows up badly, you have records that help you recall everything whether it be legal action, or worse.


You need to be available for your friend. You need to be able to help her on a moments notice, but you cannot force anything because she will just rebuke your efforts if you try. One thing especially to worry about is if you start seeing injuries on her. Do not be afraid to sacrifice the friendship to save her life. If you see signs of physical abuse. Report it and follow through. Be a friend and save her life. She may not thank you later, but she will be alive to hate you.


But listen to her. Even though this guy may seem to be a pig, do not judge him, or her. She needs to know you are there for her and thats the important part. Hopefully, in time, she will get the strength up with you helping to truly leave him. Give her what she needs, but as i said, do not force it, let it come to her at her own pace.


At at some point, you may need to give up and let her live her life. Be there for her. Thats the best advice.
 
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Hello My close friend is in a very bad relationship (I think it's abusive). She knows it's bad but makes some excuses. She talks about it all the time & I don't know what to say anymore. Her partner is a compulsive liar. He lies about everything & I mean everything. She has just moved in with him & he told all of his friends that "They are just sharing & are not a couple". (I can't believe I'm even writing that!) She does everything for him & he does nothing for her. He treats her very poorly. But he is emotionally manipulative & tells her he loves her & needs her. I love my friend very much but I don't know what to say anymore? She talks about all the bad things he does & tells me how he is ashamed to tell people that he is dating her. In the past I've told her she needs to leave him & I don't like him. I hate him and have nothing positive to say about him. When she talks about all the awful things he does she gets defensive if I say anything that is too negative about him. This has been going on and off for a long time now. She keeps saying she is going to leave him but doesn't. He told her I'm not allowed in there house!! and we have been friends since school. What do I do when my friend starts talking about all the awful things that he says and does? I don't know what advise to give anymore as it doesn't change anything? I don't know how to behave around him because I love her & hate the way he treats her? Thanks
Very often, women in abused relationships will vent to their friends but won't allow them to agree with them and become defensive. It can be very confusing and it's very unfair to you to have to listen to these horrid storied and not be able to assist your friend because, in truth, she's co-dependent on him and she's getting to play the victim roll to the hilt. There are reasons why she won't let go of this relationship and one of them is she gets to be the "poor girl who lives with a monster".


Now this sounds rather harsh and she most likely doesn't even know she's running this little game. She desperately needs attention and it doesn't matter if it's negative or positive, just as long as she's getting it. The girl seriously needs to be in counseling, so the next time she comes to you with these problems, suggest she see a professional because you truly don't know how to help her anymore and it's killing you to have to watch her suffer like this . . . which is the truth.


There is a part of her that is "allowing" this man to manipulate and control her. She's connected to him in some really dysfunctional way but doesn't know now to get out of it. A professional can help her make this decision before this guy starts physically abusing her. . . and trust me, it'll get there eventually. They're both gearing up for it if it hasn't happened already. There are Hot Lines for this and you can find a couple of those numbers in your area and give them to her.


She's already terrified of him and that is another reason she feels like she can't leave, but she needs to take her life in her own hands, as frightening as being on her own may seem but her self esteem is so low she can't see her way out of this.


Be there for her if she decides to leave this jerk, but as far as "saving" her from herself, she doesn't want you to because deep down, she wants to make that move on her own to empower herself. Let her know you there for her but there's nothing you can do for her unless she makes the next move.
 
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Thank you very much for your responses & wise insightful words. Fortunately it is not a physically abusive relationship (yet) but still mentally abusive which is in its self very damaging. As you said Songryder it will get there though. I agree that it will. As he has anger & control issues and the dynamic of the relationship is moving along that path.
Songryder I must say that your observations are correct in all respects. She is connected to him in a really dysfunctional way & her self esteem is very low. It was low before the relationship. (hence she's in this kind of relationship) and now even lower. I agree too that she has chosen this relationship for many dysfunctional reasons and I too believe that she would benefit from talking to someone professionally. I really appreciate your response. Seeing someone else respond in the same way that I have responded to the relationship has helped me immensely. Thank you so much
 
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Thank you very much for your responses & wise insightful words. Fortunately it is not a physically abusive relationship (yet) but still mentally abusive which is in its self very damaging. As you said Songryder it will get there though. I agree that it will. As he has anger & control issues and the dynamic of the relationship is moving along that path. Songryder I must say that your observations are correct in all respects. She is connected to him in a really dysfunctional way & her self esteem is very low. It was low before the relationship. (hence she's in this kind of relationship) and now even lower. I agree too that she has chosen this relationship for many dysfunctional reasons and I too believe that she would benefit from talking to someone professionally. I really appreciate your response. Seeing someone else respond in the same way that I have responded to the relationship has helped me immensely. Thank you so much
I have a best friend that has listened to me for years. I always said I could not understand women who stayed. Then I "ended" up right in the middle of one. I say ended up because the first few years were bliss, Then we moved in together away from my family and friends. He convinced me it was me for years. I was ashamed.





Once I started to open up she was always supportive and till this day she says If I married him or left him she'd support me. She also said if he ever crossed the line she'd kill him. Till this day if I decided to go back she'd shake her head, hug me, laugh and tell me she loves me. She'll come around.





After some counseling with him he never felt he deserved me(because of his own past) and was always scared I'd leave him and he became insecure (even though he was hott and successful) and he helped full fill a self fullfilling prophecy.. too bad for him.





Stay friends.. just create a filter to let what she says go in one ear and out the other most times. After a certain amount of time of hearing it then tell her you're done hearing about him and move on to another topic like a hobby or work or a new adventure you two are planning. That will also make her realize that there is still more to life than him.
 
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Thank you very much for your responses & wise insightful words. Fortunately it is not a physically abusive relationship (yet) but still mentally abusive which is in its self very damaging. As you said Songryder it will get there though. I agree that it will. As he has anger & control issues and the dynamic of the relationship is moving along that path. Songryder I must say that your observations are correct in all respects. She is connected to him in a really dysfunctional way & her self esteem is very low. It was low before the relationship. (hence she's in this kind of relationship) and now even lower. I agree too that she has chosen this relationship for many dysfunctional reasons and I too believe that she would benefit from talking to someone professionally. I really appreciate your response. Seeing someone else respond in the same way that I have responded to the relationship has helped me immensely. Thank you so much
You're so welcom SG. My hope is that she will seek professional help and you can encourage her to do that, but protect yourself as well with these two.


Mental and emotional abuse is just as bad (if not worse at times) as physical abuse and there's no excuse for it on any level.
 
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Thank you very much for your responses & wise insightful words. Fortunately it is not a physically abusive relationship (yet) but still mentally abusive which is in its self very damaging. As you said Songryder it will get there though. I agree that it will. As he has anger & control issues and the dynamic of the relationship is moving along that path. Songryder I must say that your observations are correct in all respects. She is connected to him in a really dysfunctional way & her self esteem is very low. It was low before the relationship. (hence she's in this kind of relationship) and now even lower. I agree too that she has chosen this relationship for many dysfunctional reasons and I too believe that she would benefit from talking to someone professionally. I really appreciate your response. Seeing someone else respond in the same way that I have responded to the relationship has helped me immensely. Thank you so much


I have a best friend that has listened to me for years. I always said I could not understand women who stayed. Then I "ended" up right in the middle of one. I say ended up because the first few years were bliss, Then we moved in together away from my family and friends. He convinced me it was me for years. I was ashamed.





Once I started to open up she was always supportive and till this day she says If I married him or left him she'd support me. She also said if he ever crossed the line she'd kill him. Till this day if I decided to go back she'd shake her head, hug me, laugh and tell me she loves me. She'll come around.





After some counseling with him he never felt he deserved me(because of his own past) and was always scared I'd leave him and he became insecure (even though he was hott and successful) and he helped full fill a self fullfilling prophecy.. too bad for him.





Stay friends.. just create a filter to let what she says go in one ear and out the other most times. After a certain amount of time of hearing it then tell her you're done hearing about him and move on to another topic like a hobby or work or a new adventure you two are planning. That will also make her realize that there is still more to life than him.
Hi S.P., I'm so sorry you went through this, but you got blindsided by this guy and he took his time setting you up. The most insecure men are the most angry and the most scared, but they have absolutely no right to use those feelings to make a woman feel as small as they are . . . but unfortunately they do. I'm glad you're out of it and safe. . . and stronger. It takes an amazing amoung of courage to get through something like this and you're right, it's his loss.


 
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I responded to this post about three days ago but somehow it got stuck in moderating, so I'll repost the basics of what I said and hope the mail goes through this time.


You never mentioned if your friend was employed. If she is, it would make her more financially capable of leaving him than if she was dependent on him.


From what you've already said I doubt things will get any better, if anything they will only get worse.


If it was my friend, I would praise her on her positive traits, listing a number of good qualities and how good a friend she is to you, and how much you care about her. I would try to get her to envision life with this guy ten or fifteen years down the road, by then she'd be raising his children, they will be exposed to the same crude things and the cycle will just continue. If they break up it looks like this might get messy with the children involved, custody and parenting and such. She needs to see the longterm bad effects this relationship is going to have on her future and how it's going to effect the kids. It won't be a cycle she wants repeating with her kids.


Don't blame yourself if you can't make your friend see the light, all you can do is try.
 
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Thank you very much for your responses & wise insightful words. Fortunately it is not a physically abusive relationship (yet) but still mentally abusive which is in its self very damaging. As you said Songryder it will get there though. I agree that it will. As he has anger & control issues and the dynamic of the relationship is moving along that path. Songryder I must say that your observations are correct in all respects. She is connected to him in a really dysfunctional way & her self esteem is very low. It was low before the relationship. (hence she's in this kind of relationship) and now even lower. I agree too that she has chosen this relationship for many dysfunctional reasons and I too believe that she would benefit from talking to someone professionally. I really appreciate your response. Seeing someone else respond in the same way that I have responded to the relationship has helped me immensely. Thank you so much


I have a best friend that has listened to me for years. I always said I could not understand women who stayed. Then I "ended" up right in the middle of one. I say ended up because the first few years were bliss, Then we moved in together away from my family and friends. He convinced me it was me for years. I was ashamed.





Once I started to open up she was always supportive and till this day she says If I married him or left him she'd support me. She also said if he ever crossed the line she'd kill him. Till this day if I decided to go back she'd shake her head, hug me, laugh and tell me she loves me. She'll come around.





After some counseling with him he never felt he deserved me(because of his own past) and was always scared I'd leave him and he became insecure (even though he was hott and successful) and he helped full fill a self fullfilling prophecy.. too bad for him.





Stay friends.. just create a filter to let what she says go in one ear and out the other most times. After a certain amount of time of hearing it then tell her you're done hearing about him and move on to another topic like a hobby or work or a new adventure you two are planning. That will also make her realize that there is still more to life than him.
I have been in an abusive relationship for over five years now. I have basically lost my friends and my family hasn't really been there either. For a while I think I was staying for financial reasons and then when I finally started getting my own money he had stopped beating me and made me feel like everything wrong in the relationship is my fault and I guess it was hard not to beleive him since I have low self esteem and feel I do get too clingy. But now I feel that he has really been manipulative. I have found out that he is addicted to painkillers and I think before that he was hiding an alcohol problem. I feel sorry for him but at the same time feel I finally have to leave, which has been hard because another reason I have stayed is a fear of being alone. I hate being alone and lots of times want to call him and get back with him just to have someone there, but I know that it is better to stay away.


 
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The problem is she needs to help herself. There is nothing you can do unless she decides she needs help.


On your end, try doing this. Keep a journal of your observations. This way, if this thing blows up badly, you have records that help you recall everything whether it be legal action, or worse.


You need to be available for your friend. You need to be able to help her on a moments notice, but you cannot force anything because she will just rebuke your efforts if you try. One thing especially to worry about is if you start seeing injuries on her. Do not be afraid to sacrifice the friendship to save her life. If you see signs of physical abuse. Report it and follow through. Be a friend and save her life. She may not thank you later, but she will be alive to hate you.


But listen to her. Even though this guy may seem to be a pig, do not judge him, or her. She needs to know you are there for her and thats the important part. Hopefully, in time, she will get the strength up with you helping to truly leave him. Give her what she needs, but as i said, do not force it, let it come to her at her own pace.


At at some point, you may need to give up and let her live her life. Be there for her. Thats the best advice.
Well said. Its her life not yours. All you can do is be there for them to help pick up the pieces when it falls apart.
 
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