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PhtotSavy: I completely agree with you. "Loving a person so much is to allow the other time to be who they are," This is what I feel my "ex" did for me, even though I am the one who broke it off.i also agree being together all the time does not make them love you more or less. It's something that I personally work on now that I realize it. For some reason, I get nervous when there is a lot of space between me and my partner and worry that things have changed since the last time we were together. I am scared that I have been forgotten and am unimportant.. but then again I was a middle child so that could attribute to the reason.(Is there psychologist in the house? haha)


Anyway, again now that I am older and have been on my own without dating anyone for some time now,I realize it, andI do a better job keeping my head and heart in check. When I startto worry orquestion it, I remind myself that nothing is wrong and things are exactly the way I left them. If I haven't talked to my partner in a day or two or five, it doesn't mean that they have had a change of heart sinceour last encounter.A little background would probably help to shed light on how relavant these things have been to our relationship.


First, I married very young, at the age of 20. Stayed in the marriage for 4 1/2 years when I left (for good reason). The firstperson I met after my marriage was the "ex" I have been writing about. We were together for 3 years, livingtogether forthe last 2 of them. Now, I don't need to tell anyone on here how much one changes from the time they are 20,till 25, till 30. Honestly, I don't even recognize the person I was during my marriage.But at age 25 I had only had only been with one man, my husband (now ex-husband). At the age of 28, I had only been with 2 (the ex hubby and the ex i have beenwriting about)Being that the second relationship started as the first relationship end, yes, I think I developed a co-dependency.... a husband who was happy to pick up where my mom left off and thenentering almost immediately into another long term relationship. The last 2 years being on my own, I have grownindependent, living in a different state from my family and friends I grewup with and not having a relationship during this time (i've dated but no one I would call a boyfriend)... so I really do go it on myown. It's not always been fun or comfortable, but it's what needed to happen.That's why inmy original writing I say that the breakup was good for some reasons. I had never been on my own orreally even dated before.So, to answer your question, I think I have changed... but not the soulor heart part of me, just grown and learned andsee things in a different light from experience.


So,why does he want to spend time with me now?I can't say for sure, but probably for the same reason I want to spend timehim. I missed him. Time tends to make the heart forget about past transgression and for me it was easy to remember the times I felt very loved by him. Even still, there is an unspoken connection we seem to have when we are with each other.Iwould describe the first couple years of our relationship as effortlessly happy, and it's the way it feels now.I never had anything close since. Through meeting a lot of different people and through dating, I realize he is GOLD... not because we have a ton of common interests or because he wants to spend a lot of time with me so that I feel wanted, but because of who he is. In two years of us being apart, he hasn't even gone on a single date. I don't think either of us really moved on. Yes, I dated but I never really trusted anyone andnever felt my heart was unavailable to give anyone a real chance. (I even had a couple guys tell me this.) Finally, I feel like a big stick of DUH! slappedmein the face. I love him. I notonly love him, butI trust him and respect him. I have sure feeling of my head agreeing with my heart.... which doesn't happen too often for me in relationships.


Now, I feel it is my turn to "love a person so much to allow them time to be who they are". Ibroke up with a good man, who didn't deserve that. I'm sure it canbehard to trust that person again and I am prepared to give a lot of patience. He needs to know I'm not just having a bad week or a bad month.Patience is not my strongest suit but I am better about it now that I am older, and if that is what he needs, I will do whatever it takes to give it to him. Whether weend up together or not, I want him to be happy.I'm in the relationshipfor the both of us now and can see past my own needs to see the needs of my partner. It's a good place to be.


Thank you for yourvery relevant input.You are right on target as far I am concerned... Again,I'mtruly gratefulfor second chances and will not make the same mistake twice.


wow you totally hit the nail on the head with how I tend to feel in my current relationship. Whenever we are apart for a few days and only talk maybe 5 min. a day during that time, I start to freak out that he doesn't love me anymore, that something is wrong, I question why doesn't he call why do I have to, what changed since the last time we saw each other. Then that leads to more freak outs of it was so good when we saw eachother and what changed now. I'm an only child and have a fear of being left alone. which i believe does play a slight part in this. And lately I've been realizing too that its me that just freaking out and I'm sure he still should feel the same. After reading your storey its nice to know that someone else thought that too, because I'm starting to feel like a paranoid lunitic sometimes. I have to learn to have faith in the other person, and trust that its ok.
wonder: trust me you are not alone. i think many people feel this way. and i think you are right that learning to trust and have faith in the other person is the way to go about showing love and having peace within yourself.even though it's a frustrating and helpless feeling, the part that makes it a dependency is making someone else responsible for the way you feel.


also, i think is interesting that you saybeing an only childattibutes to your feelings and fears of being alone.my"ex" is an only child and iattributehis abilitytoentertain himselfand be happy alone to being an only child. He doesn't seem to needothers so much. Of course, noman is an island, and humans are designed to seek the company of other humans.


For me, I need someone in my lifethat isvery in control of their emotions,is patient, non-judging and understanding... basically allows me to be me.So, I feel I should be able to give the same in return. Whenthere is less communication, I tryto keep my own emotions in check. I feel if you love someone, their needs should be as important to you as your own. So, if he needs more space, then I need to find a way to be okaywith that and TRY not to question his feelings for me. If you love someone, you want them to be happy, how happy of a scenario will it be if I start questioninghis actions (or in this case, his non-actions)?


At least I know that when he does spend time with me, it is because he truly wants to be with me.If he calls me, he thought about me all on his own and wants to talk to me. If he gives me a gift, it is because he truly wantedme to have something.It is genuine loveand care that drives the action. I never want to have to convince someone that they want to be with me or do things for me. It means much more when it comes from the heart.


Maybe for me, I'd rather have a small diamond that a pile of rhinestones that just look like diamonds. That small diamond will always hold more value than any size pile of rhinestones. Someone who acts from their heart is giving you the real deal. Someone whois just doing what they think you want and need, well.... it's nice, but for me, it's not the soul connectionI want.


They say... If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, itis yoursand will always be. Ifitnever returns, it was never yours to begin with. (something like that) My "ex" set me free, and I am convinced more now than ever that he is who I could be happy to spend the rest of my days with. I've never felt suchan honest love before. It's a love I can trust. What good is love if you can'ttrust it?
- September 26th, 2008, 05:57 pm
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They say... If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, itis yoursand will always be. Ifitnever returns, it was never yours to begin with. (something like that) My "ex" set me free, and I am convinced more now than ever that he is who I could be happy to spend the rest of my days with. I've never felt suchan honest love before. It's a love I can trust. What good is love if you can'ttrust it?
I kind of hate to say this....because you will probably hate me...but I just feel I need to mention that there are SO many stories of people getting back together with their ex's....and it always seems to end in more heartbreak. It does seem that people remember and miss the good times and the person they know so well, and in a sense, that they feel safe with (I have my own 'ex')...but it seems time allows us to forget what the problems were in the first place and to only remember what we want....including the fact that the ex is someone who has already let us down.


I can honestly say of all the stories I've heard of people getting back together with their ex...I haven't heard a single one that ended well (that lasted say more than a couple years back together). I honestly hope you'll beat these odds in getting back together with your ex...but objectively I have to think the odds are close to nil. Sorry.
- September 26th, 2008, 06:20 pm
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In short, it may take some patience and self-control, but it is worth it.
- September 26th, 2008, 06:23 pm
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They say... If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, itis yoursand will always be. Ifitnever returns, it was never yours to begin with. (something like that) My "ex" set me free, and I am convinced more now than ever that he is who I could be happy to spend the rest of my days with. I've never felt suchan honest love before. It's a love I can trust. What good is love if you can'ttrust it?


I kind of hate to say this....because you will probably hate me...but I just feel I need to mention that there are SO many stories of people getting back together with their ex's....and it always seems to end in more heartbreak. It does seem that people remember and miss the good times and the person they know so well, and in a sense, that they feel safe with (I have my own 'ex')...but it seems time allows us to forget what the problems were in the first place and to only remember what we want....including the fact that the ex is someone who has already let us down.


I can honestly say of all the stories I've heard of people getting back together with their ex...I haven't heard a single one that ended well (that lasted say more than a couple years back together). I honestly hope you'll beat these odds in getting back together with your ex...but objectively I have to think the odds are close to nil. Sorry.
no worries, jayjay, i certainly do not hate you. And EEK! those are some bad statistics!


i do appreciate your candor though, and of course i hope to beat the odds as well. regardless, i feel good about the decision i have made. we have had some very happy times lately that would have never happened if i didn't risk putting my heart ut there again.... and yes, risking it to "someone who has already let (me) down" so to speak.


maybe life isn't so much about the end result, but aboutdoing what you feelis right inyour heart... enjoying the journey as much as possible along the way.... without worry about the past orwhat the future will bring.sounds like a child-like approachto life I know, but honestly it's what I strive for.


I'm not saying you should ignore all reasoning and let your heart ruleall the decisions in your life... relationships need both.... but when it comes to matters of theheart, perhaps your heart should get a substantial portion of the vote.
- September 26th, 2008, 06:44 pm
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no worries, jayjay, i certainly do not hate you. And EEK! those are some bad statistics!


i do appreciate your candor though, and of course i hope to beat the odds as well. regardless, i feel good about the decision i have made. we have had some very happy times lately that would have never happened if i didn't risk putting my heart ut there again.... and yes, risking it to "someone who has already let (me) down" so to speak.


maybe life isn't so much about the end result, but aboutdoing what you feelis right inyour heart... enjoying the journey as much as possible along the way.... without worry about the past orwhat the future will bring.sounds like a child-like approachto life I know, but honestly it's what I strive for.


I'm not saying you should ignore all reasoning and let your heart ruleall the decisions in your life... relationships need both.... but when it comes to matters of theheart, perhaps your heart should get a substantial portion of the vote.
All my best wishes & hopes that it will work out for you.
- September 26th, 2008, 06:47 pm
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They say... If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it is yours and will always be. If it never returns, it was never yours to begin with. (something like that) My "ex" set me free, and I am convinced more now than ever that he is who I could be happy to spend the rest of my days with. I've never felt such an honest love before. It's a love I can trust. What good is love if you can't trust it?


I kind of hate to say this....because you will probably hate me...but I just feel I need to mention that there are SO many stories of people getting back together with their ex's....and it always seems to end in more heartbreak. It does seem that people remember and miss the good times and the person they know so well, and in a sense, that they feel safe with (I have my own 'ex')...but it seems time allows us to forget what the problems were in the first place and to only remember what we want....including the fact that the ex is someone who has already let us down.


I can honestly say of all the stories I've heard of people getting back together with their ex...I haven't heard a single one that ended well (that lasted say more than a couple years back together). I honestly hope you'll beat these odds in getting back together with your ex...but objectively I have to think the odds are close to nil. Sorry.
JayJay, do I have permission to just graft your brain onto every man I meet from now until the end of time? I could probably save myself HUGE amounts of wasted time that way.
- September 26th, 2008, 07:19 pm
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JayJay, do I have permission to just graft your brain onto every man I meet from now until the end of time? I could probably save myself HUGE amounts of wasted time that way.
Did you plan to do this grafting one at a time...or all at once. Ouch...sounds painful.
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JayJay, do I have permission to just graft your brain onto every man I meet from now until the end of time? I could probably save myself HUGE amounts of wasted time that way.


Did you plan to do this grafting one at a time...or all at once. Ouch...sounds painful.
Details, details.....
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8 GOOD Reasons to BREAK UP.......1. He or she has severe mental problems and will not take his or her medication.....2. He or she does not contribute in the least bit financially to the household......3. He or she sleeps to 7:00 AM and wakes up when you get home from a long day of work, ready to start the day......4. He or she has really stinky baggage that no couple's counseling can alleviate......5. He or she spends restless nights on the computer enjoying hours of porn without your knowledge or consent......6. He or she fornicates with many diverse women in the town you live, thus snickering behind your back occurs daily.....7. He or she informs you when you are six months pregnant that he or she is gay......8. He or she asks you to get off the labor bed during the last few hours of labor because he or she is tired and wants to lay down.
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If you are in a relationship that you would like to work for the bothe of of you then you must stop thinking in the "single" form. Are you still using words such as "I, me, mine etc..? Or are you thinking in terms of "we, ours, us etc...? Listensing to yourself when speaking about your partner or when thinking about your partner and that alone will tell you if in fact your personal life is even ready for a steady relationship. Remember, unless you happen to be a multiple birth you were brought into this world alone and the old "soul-mate" reference is just that - "old". Man was not meant to live alone but, neither was man or woman made to be or "feel complete" by having or finding the perfect spose. There is no such thing as giving another "yourtrue love love" and sacraficing all just to have them. If and when you feel you have to do this to prove your feelings all you will is leave yourself in a very vunerable position. The feeling must be mutual. Ask yourself: How could I let a person tell me they "truely love me" and not feel the same in return.?
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