Advice and Support from Thousands of Users Just Like You

Dating First-date jitters? Hoping for a second date? Moving on to a full blown relationship? Share your journey and advice here.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
japaneseblueeyes's Avatar

japaneseblueeyes Prefers the ugly truth to beautiful lies.

Virtuoso

Join Date: Jan 2008

Posts: 3,088

See profile



To the OP: Do what YOU feel comfortable doing. I do not feel comfortable approaching guys anymore because after much thought I realized it conflicts with my religious upbringing and personal beliefs. I would not approach a guy offline so why would I online? This is probably not the case for you, so if you want to, then do it! Good luck!
- August 27th, 2008, 01:40 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#41   Reply With Quote
GolferGuySC's Avatar

GolferGuySC had a great round of golf today

Quick Study

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 230

See profile



I think it would be interesting to hear from the Ladies on this, but how do you feel about a man that is NOT assertive about his intentions and pursuit of you? Does that lessen your attraction to him if he obviously likes you, but doesn't "close the deal" so to speak?


I have seen it decribed by other men as that type guy "not having game".


So wouldn't it be fair to say, if you feel that way about a guy being shy or submissive or whatever, that its equally plausible that a man might not like a women who is overly assertive in the relationship?


Just a twist. I am not conveying my feelings thru this. I like a balance. I like a women who allows me a traditional male role, while not being intimidated by her conveying her feelings/emotions etc.....
- August 27th, 2008, 01:50 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#42   Reply With Quote
tooblunt's Avatar

tooblunt is at work.

Quick Study

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 122

See profile



I so agree with many of the responses here. I also struggle with being "forward",saying what I mean and "scaring" guys off. My friends have followed the rules and are now, mostly, unhappily married. It seems to me as though they pretended to be someone they weren't to "land" the guy. Then,once they were comfortable, they acted like their true self. The guy wants to know where the girl he first dated went...and vice versa. I just want to yell at them that they did this to themselves. Okay..maybe not yell... I have always said I refuse to follow the rules and well, single I am. So, then I think, maybe IHAVE to follow the rules...hmm....nope, can't.I agree that perhaps I just haven't met the "right one". But, dang, it sure seems like you have to follow the rules or guys are confused or scared of you.I also get..."you don't need me" from men I date. I respond tothat, no, I don't need them to take care of me....but I do want someone to share life with. Then, of course the always ego-boosting question from friends and family,....you're still single??? Well, of course I am because I won't act fake to "get a man".Who wants to have that kind of attitude.....I sure don't but it's hard not to think that way sometimes.





Good to know I am not the only one in this boat!Thanks for the thoughts!
- August 27th, 2008, 02:58 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#43   Reply With Quote
jayjay's Avatar

jayjay ...is relieved that the homebuyer's tax credit has been extended.

Power Poster

Join Date: Jun 2008

Posts: 7,412

See profile



One other tidbit....I'm fine with a woman approaching me...I'd find it flattering. One comment to the women who DO want to let the man approach them. At least for myself, before too long I DO need to feel interest on a woman's part. If a woman used 'rules' such as making sure she didn't call me back until I had called her at least 2 times or other strategies to keep me 'chasing' her...I'd be ok with these for a short time...but before very long I would need to see signs of her interest and desire to be with me....or else I would lose interest myself.
- August 27th, 2008, 03:08 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#44   Reply With Quote
betterdays's Avatar

Enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2008

Posts: 838

See profile

VikingQuest wrote :

Lots of men are poor hunter types. Even so, they will not respond favorably to an agressive woman. Truely, these poor-hunters are the worst nightmare for a woman. She will have to figure out how to convince her potential date how to pursue her knowing that if he thinks there is even the slightest chance of failure, he will back off. By the same token, the poor-hunter type still wants to feel proud of his hunting skills, so you can't make it look too easy. Like I said, these are in many respects good guys overall a lot of the time, but a lot of work for the woman.
It's exhausting.
- August 27th, 2008, 03:23 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#45   Reply With Quote

ADVERTISEMENT

lifeztooshrt's Avatar

Newbie

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 16

See profile

missme, wrote :

Sometimes I wish men and womencould forget their genders and just be human and beautifully complex. Sometimes I feel distinctly"masculine" (vocal, strong, and forward, the initiator and the instigator)Other times, I feel "feminine" (coy, shy, mysterious, agreeable, and patient).Somewhere along the lines inmy dating experience I have learned to stifle and suppress any masculine energy, as it has always failed me. Men get scared off, and that is the end of that. And I have created a story in my head that this will always be the case. I have bought into the stupid book, "The Rules."


Every time I try to break the rules: call a man first, linger on the phone, suggest/invite him to date, it has failed me. But these restrictions defy my true character (balance of masculine and feminine).And then,I no longer feel like myself. Sometimes, I just want to call a man to reach out or whatever.Instead, I feelparalyzed and don't. And then whenhe doesn'tcall me, it's over.In mymind,if the man doesn't hunt me, he won't want me.


Anyhow, I would loveto hearyour thoughts and experiences, similar or opposite to mine.
Hi! I'm new here so I'm feeling a bit shy at the moment but this topic is very interesting! I'm wondering though how many people have actually had successful connections when the woman initiated the contact? I don't have any problems striking up conversations with strangers but have had not any luck when initiating contact with matches.
- August 27th, 2008, 03:50 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#46   Reply With Quote
Jacquesne's Avatar

Jacquesne knows the answer...42

Volunteer Community Leader

Join Date: May 2008

Posts: 1,287

See profile



What I find amusing is that I've found women actually "initiate" contact the vast majority of the time anyway. They make eye contact with a guy they're interested a couple of times, flick their hair, etc., and he responds and "initiates" like it was his idea. Most guys don't just approach some random girl unless a green light to approach has been given. They may think it's their idea, but usually it isn't. Then the game begins.


The "hunter and hunted" system exists partially out of convienience. It's hard enough to enter into a new relationship with the "rules." Without that framework it becomes even more awkward. The trick is making it clear; in other words, good communication.


I would say most men, or at least myself, find a woman who approaches you to be very flattering and attractive. Unless there's some reason you are completely turned off by her (which may just be a preference thing) you'll probably continue and see where it goes.


The only place I could see this becoming an issue (WARNING: Politically incorrect statements to follow!) is when you stay in "masculine mode" too long. Guys are naturally attracted to femininity. This should be sort of obvious; we aren't attracted to other men, so why would we be attracted to a woman who always acts like a man? The opposite is true as well.


You can give him a blatant green light, call him, hug him, whatever, and few men will be intimidated by this. If you stay aggressive, however, and don't give him some room to "chase back" (so to speak) he'll probably start getting nervous and confused. This may be just a personal thing, so if other guys aren't like this ignore it, but for me I have no idea how attractive I am. I would not consider myself an attractive person at all. Therefore, if a girl was all over me, I'd be constantly wondering why. Is it me she's interested in? Is she just like this to anybody, and I'm her flavor of the week?


Basically, if you don't give a guy a reason why HE thinks he should be attractive to you he won't buy it. I certainly wouldn't. I would question your motives. If you continued being the chaser, I'd probably avoid you simply because I had no idea why you were doing what you were doing. After all, what could she possibly see in me to create this behavior? Guys aren't used to women hitting on us. Women, however, usually get quite used to guys hitting on them early on.


This works both ways. If a guy was into a girl and never let her be involved in the process, she'd probably be quite turned away from it too. She wants to be part of the relationship.


If you want a simple way of looking at it, if you invite him to a date and then behave "girly" and attracted to him, he's probably going to be flattered and into it. If you invite him to a date, take charge with everything, and act like the "man" of the relationship he's probably going to feel threatened.


Many men, myself included, pride ourselves on our ability to solve problems, take charge, lead, and be strong. If you make it appear that you don't desire these aspects of him because you're already like that he's going to wonder what's the purpose in even having him around. After all, you seem like you've got everything already; where does he fit in?


I understand this isn't the most politically correct mentality, and that men and women should be able to fill whatever gender roles they want. There's nothing wrong with the man doing the "female" role and the woman doing the "male" role. In a real relationship, I find it refreshing to sort of trade jobs. I still want to have a role, though, and I don't want either to be responsible for both roles nor do I want to be useless because my partner can already do both. Men like to be needed. Or maybe it's just me. Doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy out there that feels this way.


The dating world is confusing because it's so hard to tell whether someone wishes to fill whatever role, or even what aspects of a relationship they even consider part of that role. In my mind, dating should be fun, relaxing, and more about learning about the other person than worrying about rules and roles. The "modern" solution has been to throw out the rules. Unfortunately, it's hard to bend or play with rules that no longer exist. To me, it's a lot more fun to break rules that exist than try to play without rules in the first place.


Contrary to popular belief, the majority of men LIKE it when women are direct! The whole subtle thing can drive us nuts. What the heck does she WANT? Just tell me already, stop hinting at it! At the same time, we don't want someone who makes us feel like an accessory and not as an important part of their lives. We tend to be problem solvers. Give us problems to solve, and we'll be happy. Most guys want the woman in their lives to be happy! We just don't always know what to do to make that happen. We like it when you tell us. We don't like it when we aren't able to help. See the difference?


Hope some of that made sense.


Jacquesne
- August 27th, 2008, 04:42 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#47   Reply With Quote
missme's Avatar

Newbie

Join Date: Jul 2008

Posts: 19

See profile



Speaking of a bold brilliant woman in a pantsuit...OMG at the DNC speech last night! And her husband was in tears.
- August 27th, 2008, 04:51 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#48   Reply With Quote
NightengalesSong's Avatar

Quick Study

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 159

See profile

Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :

I have heard the phrase "I would not go out with you if you were the last guy on earth" just way too many times.
Poeple actually said that to you??? Good heavens!


Michelle
- August 27th, 2008, 06:10 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#49   Reply With Quote
NightengalesSong's Avatar

Quick Study

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 159

See profile

Lindac7 wrote :

Just because I'm intelligent, capable, and comfortable being independent doesn't mean I don't need a man. That kind of thinking again is too narrow-minded for my taste. There are too many people who still think that a woman needs a man for his money, or his protection, or something along that vein. Those things are nice, for sure, but what about simply needing a partner for the love and companionship that brings to each of us?


If a woman doesn't need a man for his money, does that mean she doesn't need a man? Of course not. We all need to be loved, and I believe the vast majority of us would prefer to live our life with someone we can love who will also love us. That's what we need each other for, now more than ever.
Well said! I agree with you 100% there.


Michelle
- August 27th, 2008, 06:14 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#50   Reply With Quote

ADVERTISEMENT

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Latest on our Dating Advice Discussion Boards

“Is there a reason that you haven't dated? Is it physical recovery or emotional? I know things work...in that ares, but look as a female whatever happened it will not matter to someone who cares for ... ” – indigirl1975

Join the “Intimacy After Accident” discussion

“My take is this. All guys "want" sex ASAP because they don't know if the early dating is going to lead to a long term relationship or not so most guys (with exceptions of course) get it when the ... ” – Sanders

Join the “Do the "rules" for intimacy change once you've been married and divorced?” discussion

“I would say there are many things that distract us from communicating.  Even so far as to say technology...I know, I know, a help and hinder at the same time ;c)There definitely has been a ... ” – LivingBetterLonger2009

Join the “Do We Over Think Relationships?” discussion

“What an interesting little journey you're on, JayJay! ” – Sassafras54

Join the “Dating and insecurity” discussion

“I realized after I made my post that I should have said I do not believe enough men could be intimidated by women that it would encompass a significant share of a woman's dating experience. The way ... ” – Lilycat

Join the “where men are financially now” discussion

“I've "been there, done that" with the long distance relationships several times. It's not worth it. I don't have the bandwidth in me to do a LDR again. All it is is stress, stress, and more stress ... ” – scarlet13

Join the “What am I doing wrong?” discussion

“I have been dating a guy from eH for 3 months. In the first 1 1/2 months, we were seeing each other regularly 2 nights a week, one week night and one weekend. In the last 1 1/2 months, we spent every ... ” – Daphnie

Join the “Advice Needed -- What's Next?” discussion



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:02 pm.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0