How to handle a common first-date problem - she's much heavier in person


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Nakisarin is offline Nakisarin Post #161  February 24,2008, 3:24pm
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I have found this to be an interesting discussion. I am left with a couple of questions.

At what point in communication do you though this out there? If you have posted your most current full body shot do you assume the other person sees you the way you are or do you just reiterate that you are heavier than average? At what point is the rejection easier?
I have the exact same question! Let me know if you get a reasonable answer
 
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Darksun is offline Darksun Post #162  February 24,2008, 3:32pm
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Dear Robert,

First of all, you must be a pretty shallow person and don't consider others unique and what they may have been through and if only a body matters to you, I wouldn't want you anyway, so I am happy you sent the girl away, it was best for her!

I know I am a fuller figure, but also have a fuller heart and if and when I find my mate, I am definitely sure the weight will fall off because I will be in love and I have been alone quite awhile, because I wanted to be, but that is the reason I accidentally put on this weight in the first place.

You know, you should give someone a try if they match with you in other areas, You may be passing up your true love only because of one thing.

TOO BAD, SORRY FOR YOU!
Personally, I feel that it's equally "shallow" to dismiss someone based on the "inside". Both attributes are important. If you are not attracted to someone, you are not attracted to someone. If you lie to yourself about it, it accomplishes nothing.

Physical attracting is important & cannot be discarded. I don't want to be with someone who isn't into me physically. Also, if these "unique" people are so much better on the inside, what does it say about their personality that they are willing to lie about themselves?

No, it's only shallow if it is the ONLY thing a person wants. Unfortunately people like you tend to assume that because someone isn't interested physically in someone else, that is all they care about. I don't think that's very honest.
 
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robert2008, wrote :

Hi,

I've just had this problem twice in two weeks - one with a woman I met from eHarmony. When we actually meet up in person, it's clear that her pictures didn't really truthfully show what kind of (fairly poor) physical shape she was in.

In the first case, I realized belatedly that she hadn't had a 'full body' picture up. And in person, I just felt no attraction. Afterwards I handled it by sending email saying that I didn't feel the 'chemistry'.

Now in the second case, the woman was pretty interesting and attractive in person, but clearly weighed about 200 lbs. (5'6"), although on her profile she described her body type as 'average'. Regardless of anything else, 5'6" and 200 lbs is not "average". I'd like to see her again, but won't really be truly interested unless she loses weight ... I wonder if there's any way to communicate this ...

I realize this post raises lots of issues... My take-away is to only meet women in person who have a full body picture online. I don't think these women intended to deceive - I think they're probably being somewhat dishonest with themselves.
My advice would be to just be honest with yourself, and with her. If your not interested don't let someone think that you are, but be nice about it. In your second case the woman was cool, but not physically attractive to you. So my advice would be too see if she is just interested in freindship. If not then end everything nice & polite, and explain why if necessary. The truth hurts, but honesty is the best policy. By being honest you just may help that person to adjust for someone that'smore of a match for them.
 
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robert2008, wrote :

yoHi,

I've just had this problem twice in two weeks - one with a woman I met from eHarmony. When we actually meet up in person, it's clear that her pictures didn't really truthfully show what kind of (fairly poor) physical shape she was in.

In the first case, I realized belatedly that she hadn't had a 'full body' picture up. And in person, I just felt no attraction. Afterwards I handled it by sending email saying that I didn't feel the 'chemistry'.

Now in the second case, the woman was pretty interesting and attractive in person, but clearly weighed about 200 lbs. (5'6"), although on her profile she described her body type as 'average'. Regardless of anything else, 5'6" and 200 lbs is not "average". I'd like to see her again, but won't really be truly interested unless she loses weight ... I wonder if there's any way to communicate this ...

I realize this post raises lots of issues... My take-away is to only meet women in person who have a full body picture online. I don't think these women intended to deceive - I think they're probably being somewhat dishonest with themselves.
Go out with her again if you want. Get to know her more to see if your interest continues. By the third date or a little further on, I think it would be fine to speak your interest and share your view of a future partner is one you want a life time with. That a healthy lifestyle is something you value and it would be important to you if you both deem the relationship would go somewhere.

I'd suggest you be gentle, ask them about their life. There may be reasons they are where they are and desire to change. If they do not want to, honor your gut feeling on this. I would not suggest you compromise on this issue because it would bother you later on.

Just a thought.
 
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eclectika is offline eclectika Post #165  February 24,2008, 7:29pm
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This is all very interesting. I actually respect you Robert for being brave enough to ask the question.

As a large woman myself, I am pleased that you are interested enought to want to see her again. A second meeting is hardly the time to assess whether or not you would want to marry this woman, so keep your options open. You may be really surprised to see her slim down as you continue this pre-relationship. YA... I read everything that was said about her loosing weight for herself... it is not black and white my friends. The reasons behind her extra weight could be countless and you may find yourself a little embarrassed to learn these reasons and to have judged her so harshly. However, one of the motivating factors for her to begin to loose the weight could very well be YOU! She may never be Gwenyth Paltrow, but I did recall you saying that it was intelligence that turned your crank. You seemed intrigued. FOLLOW that path.

AS far as her being dishonest. TOM A TOE... TOM AWWW TOE We all see things differently. Maybe her average is that simply put all her friends are 300lbs beauties and she is the skinny one in the group, so she may feel average. If you continue to pursue her, you will know soon enough if dishonesty or a total lack of a healthy perspective is an issue. And dating is all about beginnings and endings.

I wish for you a happy end.

One last thing. The mostsexual organ in the body is the brain. If you are connecting with this woman and she is 20lbs overwight. I can guarantee that the sexyou have with her would be 10x better than a skinny chick with whom you had no connection.

Be well.
 
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malia is offline malia Post #166  February 24,2008, 7:33pm
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malia,63106 wrote :

Question...how come it's ok for guys to be a little bigger and you see those guys with gorgeous women, but guys don't want to give the "chubby" girl a chance? This is part of why I've stayed away from dating for a while, it's hard to actually meet someone that doesn't look at appearance as #1....although I want to be 'attracted' to a guy, but I'm willing to give him a chance if he was "a few extra pounds" like me.
It's a fact that men are more visually stimulated than women. I also think that men are more conditioned over time by society to value physical beauty. That being said, physical appearances are the first step. If you are an attractive woman, but also have some "issues," the relationship will probably end, not based on your looks, but the severity of those "issues."

Americans as a whole are overweight and out of shape, but as multiple people have stated before, you have to want to get healthy for yourself, not for some guy or woman. That's the only way to lose weight and keep it off.
I agree that one has to get healthy for themselves, which is why I'm getting healthy, I've been losing weight, becoming more fit and love how much better I feel. I'm doing this without a man in my life as the "motivational" goal. It's so I don't end up with heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and so many other issues by the time I'm 35...it's not for anyone else but me, so I feel good about ME. Anyone that is going to better their health only for the end goal of "hooking a catch" needs to rethink their reasons. I would never do that just for a guy, although i do want to look good for him.

It is true that people value physical beauty (heck, so do I), but I don't have issues...it does make me nervous to meet someone not knowing what they'll really think but that's because there's a reason behind it with online dating...to date...will he/she like me...what will the first impression be? Do ireally look like my pictures? Now, throw me in a room of strangers that aren't from EH and don't havea goal of dating and I have no fears. Put me in a relationship with someone and I don't have issues. It's the initial meeting that I worry about.
 
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Dear Robert,

First of all, you must be a pretty shallow person and don't consider others unique and what they may have been through and if only a body matters to you, I wouldn't want you anyway, so I am happy you sent the girl away, it was best for her!

I know I am a fuller figure, but also have a fuller heart and if and when I find my mate, I am definitely sure the weight will fall off because I will be in love and I have been alone quite awhile, because I wanted to be, but that is the reason I accidentally put on this weight in the first place.

You know, you should give someone a try if they match with you in other areas, You may be passing up your true love only because of one thing.

TOO BAD, SORRY FOR YOU!
Personally, I feel that it's equally "shallow" to dismiss someone based on the "inside". Both attributes are important. If you are not attracted to someone, you are not attracted to someone. If you lie to yourself about it, it accomplishes nothing.

Physical attracting is important & cannot be discarded. I don't want to be with someone who isn't into me physically. Also, if these "unique" people are so much better on the inside, what does it say about their personality that they are willing to lie about themselves?

No, it's only shallow if it is the ONLY thing a person wants. Unfortunately people like you tend to assume that because someone isn't interested physically in someone else, that is all they care about. I don't think that's very honest.
I agree. Even though we heavier women would prefer to be known for who we are 'inside' we should be honest about the main thing we cannot hide, our weight. Yes, as a 238 lb, 5' 2" woman (lost over 50 lbs so far, losing it for me) it is hard to meet a man who can look past the outside, but lets face it, men are visual creatures. When I have been on dates the men have told me I looked bigger than my picture. Odd because I fit into the same pants as I have posted, only my hair has grown.

Thankfully, every match I've had has been very honest with me about my appearance and about theirs,we have all started as friends. I did not join EH to get 'lucky' I joined to find my best friend and to be his best friend too. If that's not there to begin with, I wouldn't want to be around either, regardless of how hot & physically fit he is. Fortunately, there are men I've met outside EH who look a little longer for comfort and flirt with me. Sweet! There are men out there who don't see the weight as an issue and once I get down to my ideal weight again,lets just say, carrying around these extra pounds has givenme more than physical strength ;-D
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Elyn,63572 wrote :

Come on folks...all this talk of only the overweight people having issues is ridiculous! Yes, some people with excess weight carry that weight because they have issues. However, those of you who have felt the need to be demeaning, spiteful and sarcastic to others have your issues, too. That behavior doesn't come from nowhere. Something in you is the source of the nastiness. Perhaps you haven't been treated fairly for one reason or another or have been demeaned by someone yourself. Passing judgment on someone else, being nasty, might make you feel better about yourself, make you feel superior. Generally, people aren't born mean-spirited, just as most people aren't born overweight. It's what happens to us on our individual journeys, and the choices we make, that make us who and what we are.

Self perception is also a running theme here. Sometimes, it's not dishonesty when someone represents themselves in a way you, in the end, don't agree with. Many thin people think themselves incredibly attractive, even though other people's perceptions are the opposite. The same goes for fat people--many of them believe they are incredibly unattractive even when many people would consider them stunningly beautiful. Ego is a powerful thing--for the positive and the negative. No one is perfect, but not many people find a balance that is consistent throughout their lives. Self-image is a bit of a pendulum depending on what you're going through at that time in your life.

Being thin or heavy is not the defining factor of whether or not you're a good person. It really depends on how you define a "good" person. In my opinion, the key word is person. How you treat other people and yourself. The adversities we face and survive, as well as what we learn from them, impact how we treat others and ourselves. Personality is developed during trials and difficulties. It's important to remember that no group, thin or fat for example, corners the market on the human struggle. One thing that should come from adversity is compassion, not judgment. It would be really cool if the diametrically opposed in this thread could put themselves in the other's shoes for a day. Everyone might be really surprised.
Yes, we all have issues as well. Just because we acknowledge ours and point out that overweight people often are in denial of theirs is not in itself demeaning, spiteful, sarcastic, or nasty. We are stating facts. Facts that are unpleasant to some people and because they cannot challenge those facts they decide to attack us as being mean-spirited.



(Yes, thin people can also be in denial of their issues as well. On this thread we are talking about weight. Look at other topics on this site and you will see other people in denial of other issues.)



Yes, we could do as you do and pity people and agree with them as they play the victim card. That might make them feel better temporally. But it will not help them face whatever issues they have and they are going to continue being lonely and unhappy and searching for answers. As for passing judgment? Isn't that exactly what you are doing? Passing judgment on those of us trying to honestly discuss this issue as being mean and nasty.



Your comments on self-perception are good. But that also does not change the fact that some people's self perception is so far removed from reality that it is obvious to those around them that they have a problem. Anorexia is a good example of the opposite of being overweight and I could write a book on totally unrelated issues I have seen people be self deceptive about.



I would say that these days people have been brainwashed into too much undeserved compassion and not enough judgment towards other peoples behaviors. I happen to think that being honest with someone shows real compassion. Gently if possible, but what some people really need is flat out confrontation to get them to THINK. As well as personality, adversity should also build character. Treating people with undeserved compassion does them no favors in the long run although it may make you feel better about yourself. But I question which one of the two is truly the "good" person. And what makes you think that some of the people posting here have not walked it the other person's shoes?
 
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Maybe a bit of research should be done on what size the truly average woman in America is. Might surprise some people, and it might change some of the perceptions of her "deception." A woman 5'4" and 130 pounds falls within her "ideal" weight, but that doesn't mean it's the average weight of American women of the same height. And while 5'6" and 200 pounds probably doesn't fall into average, either, it may not be as far from average as one might think.

I don't consider myself average. Unfortunately, I have a health issue that has caused a battle I don't seem to be winning. Nope, I don't weight 200 pounds, but I work out 4-5 days a week, watch what I eat, and still need to lose weight. I'm more than a number on a scale and don't want to be judged by that number. I also know that this society judges. Read a few of the postings regarding this discussion and it's obvious!

Robert, don't tell her you'll date her if she loses weight. Harsh! If you are truly interested, go for the active dates idea given and see if you still match. After all, finding someone interesting and intelligent is worth a bit of further exploration! If it doesn't work, well, then move on.
 
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I don't want to bash the ladies, here, being a lady myself, but 200 and 5'5" is big. I am 5' 10" and due to medication went from 137 to 235. I am sorry, but I was big. I am down to 175 now and consider myself about average, almost wanting to say a few extra pounds, becauseI know that I can be 145-155 and that is my goal. I am not in the Army anymore or the age of 22,so 137 pounds isn't realistic. So please if you are proud to be big and beautiful say it, because at that height and weight it's not average.
 
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