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I would never ask the "gender roles" question. I just can't see that being interpreted in a good way.


While I don't see what's so touchy about THAT specific question, but I somewhat agree. I never understood why some of thosepre-built eH questions are available.Some of those questions I'd NEVER ask a woman I'm just getting to know. Call me old fasioned, but some of them really seem like quite the buzzkill or just waaaaaay too personal.


I think the most likely misinterpretation is for a woman to think "OMG, this guy wants a woman who will be barefoot and pregnant her whole life".


Guilty as charged.


Me too Lawyergirl.


hahaha- I am the only one who would actually LIKE to be barefoot and pregnant?
Please see 'Neanderthal' thread
- July 21st, 2008, 05:37 pm
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okay Doc...lets see if I can summarize this (for me anyway).


First, no I don't think there is currently a good way to communicate your feelings about this in an online profile. And I think that is why I said guys should not jump to conclusions about career. Its really going to be different for most of us..maybe some trends but I imagine it would be real hard to tell right away unless the woman is pretty blunt about it...which leads me to my next point


It seems pretty awkward to be blunt about such things on a profile for several reasons. The first is that its a bit TMI and scary. I mean, its jumping the gun a little bit. Most people are not wanting to talk about marriage or kids right away, and their value system related to it. It seems a bit premature to most, unless its just listed as a value or something in a more general way (ie family is very important to me -- but what the heck does that really mean!?!? isn't important to most people?)


The second reason is that, I am with Suzanne in Houston....its really not my sole decision is it? There are a lot of factors that could influence me...finances (what if I marry someone younger, its possible and he might not be as established as me, or there are rough times and we both have to work no matter what, etc). It could be that I have the perfect job that allows me flexibility and I have great benefits or something. I dont know. I guess I just mean that I am open to possibilities depending on the unknown factor -- who is the guy?


Ideally, yes, I want to be able to stay home with my kids at least for the first 5 years of their lives. I'd like to maintain relevance in my field from working at home for some private clients that I have (ideally) but that might not be possible even though I have worked hard to make it a possibility. A few years back, I took a job that was incredibly flexible ...its like I was all prepared for everything and before I knew it I felt like life was passing me by. I knew I could make more money elsewhere and it gets to a point where its about my own survival and future vs. the unknown of marriage and children. At some point I decided to choose a good retirement package, promotion, and less flexible hours since I dont really need them right now. It could be hard to go backwards but hopefully not. Its very hard to balance this all out in your mind when there are so many unknowns. Eventually most women will choose money and security and professional fulfillment if they can over the unknown of marriage and kids.


A third point -- I'd like the freedom to stay home with my kids, and I'd like the freedom to work fewer hours (perhaps if I can't work from home I would very much consider going into teaching or academia to have summers off and better hours - very likely anyway as a future goal of mine)


One of the reasons I'd like to stay involved with my career or even change my career path is totally selfish -- for me and my own fulfillment and because I am a curious person who is always learning and bettering myself. The other reason is something I believe deeply and can't stress enough -- I don't ever want my kids to feel guilty that I never had a life because of them, or that I gave everything up for them. I want them to know that I have a life of my own, that I care about my own needs beyond them and my family, and that I care about the community as well and the world I live in.


I learned a lot from my mom...who was a Stay at home Mom....but I also learned that the kids WILL be okay if mom goes out with her friends once in awhile, or has some of her own personal fulfillment in life. I still feel bad for my mom and its not a good feeling. I dont want to put my kids through that, if I ever have them.


oh.....but yeah...how to convey this to a potential match? I have no idea...suggestions are great


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I want to be an at-home mom. I share that with all my matches that in no way I want to work once I have children. After marriage I will work but once I have children I want to be 100% dedicated to them. No nannies in my house.
You are an awsome woman. If you can stay at home and be a MOM,your child will benefit greatly.
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I would never ask the "gender roles" question. I just can't see that being interpreted in a good way.









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Although I know you are right in practicality, I wonder why the person on the question's receiving end feels the need or the right to "interpret" it in any way. It is just a simple question that says "How do you feel about XXX?" Just answer the question how you feel...
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I think the most likely misinterpretation is for a woman to think "OMG, this guy wants a woman who will be barefoot and pregnant her whole life".[/quote]

Jay:


I know and you are right...that may and probably does happen. But, is that fair? How does she not know that maybe he forsees a "Cosby show" situation??? You DON'T know, so why assume? If you think 'traditional gender roles' are outdated or unappealing or impractical for you, then you have the option of just saying so...


Seems like some feel their pride or self-worth needs to be defended when it isn't even at issue...
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okay Doc...lets see if I can summarize this (for me anyway).


First, no I don't think there is currently a good way to communicate your feelings about this in an online profile. And I think that is why I said guys should not jump to conclusions about career. Its really going to be different for most of us..maybe some trends but I imagine it would be real hard to tell right away unless the woman is pretty blunt about it...which leads me to my next point


It seems pretty awkward to be blunt about such things on a profile for several reasons. The first is that its a bit TMI and scary. I mean, its jumping the gun a little bit. Most people are not wanting to talk about marriage or kids right away, and their value system related to it. It seems a bit premature to most, unless its just listed as a value or something in a more general way (ie family is very important to me -- but what the heck does that really mean!?!? isn't important to most people?)


The second reason is that, I am with Suzanne in Houston....its really not my sole decision is it? There are a lot of factors that could influence me...finances (what if I marry someone younger, its possible and he might not be as established as me, or there are rough times and we both have to work no matter what, etc). It could be that I have the perfect job that allows me flexibility and I have great benefits or something. I dont know. I guess I just mean that I am open to possibilities depending on the unknown factor -- who is the guy?


Ideally, yes, I want to be able to stay home with my kids at least for the first 5 years of their lives. I'd like to maintain relevance in my field from working at home for some private clients that I have (ideally) but that might not be possible even though I have worked hard to make it a possibility. A few years back, I took a job that was incredibly flexible ...its like I was all prepared for everything and before I knew it I felt like life was passing me by. I knew I could make more money elsewhere and it gets to a point where its about my own survival and future vs. the unknown of marriage and children. At some point I decided to choose a good retirement package, promotion, and less flexible hours since I dont really need them right now. It could be hard to go backwards but hopefully not. Its very hard to balance this all out in your mind when there are so many unknowns. Eventually most women will choose money and security and professional fulfillment if they can over the unknown of marriage and kids.


A third point -- I'd like the freedom to stay home with my kids, and I'd like the freedom to work fewer hours (perhaps if I can't work from home I would very much consider going into teaching or academia to have summers off and better hours - very likely anyway as a future goal of mine)


One of the reasons I'd like to stay involved with my career or even change my career path is totally selfish -- for me and my own fulfillment and because I am a curious person who is always learning and bettering myself. The other reason is something I believe deeply and can't stress enough -- I don't ever want my kids to feel guilty that I never had a life because of them, or that I gave everything up for them. I want them to know that I have a life of my own, that I care about my own needs beyond them and my family, and that I care about the community as well and the world I live in.


I learned a lot from my mom...who was a Stay at home Mom....but I also learned that the kids WILL be okay if mom goes out with her friends once in awhile, or has some of her own personal fulfillment in life. I still feel bad for my mom and its not a good feeling. I dont want to put my kids through that, if I ever have them.


oh.....but yeah...how to convey this to a potential match? I have no idea...suggestions are great

Welcome to my world! How do I express to my potential match my strong desire to be a husband & father without "overdoing" it or possibly insulting her because I don't know anything about her or her circumstances? Basically, I can't and I have no idea how to broach the subject.


Here's how I do it in my eH profile...from my "most passionate" section:


..."I would have to say that cultivating my relationship with my friends and family rank as most important to me, including starting my own someday."...


Any suggestions are welcome.
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I don't discuss it with matches early onunless they bring it up first. HoweverI do feel that it is important to discuss these matters early in the relationship. Say, within the first 3-6 months of dating.I do not wantto spend a year dating someone that does not have similar goals in regards tochildren.I do alot of work with divorced couples. It amazing how many of them did not discuss the issues of carreers and children before they got married.


3-6 months?? I don't want to waste even 3-6 weeks dating someone who has vastly different views/plans on the childcare/career conundrum. What's the point? I don't want to "change" someone nor be changed to accomodate them. This is not a right or wrong thing...it is just a matter of 2 people having similar mindsets.


That is your view. I, however am very flexible in this situation. Honestly I wouldn't mind if I didn't have any more children at all.


We agree to disagree.I imagine this issue may not be as definitive for you since you are "take it or leave it" on possible having future kids. As I said, there are no rights or wrongs here...I just want to know how someone feels and how strongly they feel about it.
I am not disagreeing, just giving a perspective as a single parent.I do not introduce my child to a boyfriend until at least 3-6 months into the relationship. I cannot truly determine if a man issomeone I want tohave children with or being really serious with until I know how he interacts with my son. I have had the experience of having a great relationship with a guy and then finding he is not so great with my son. Believe me I would much prefer to know these things much earlier, but I am not going to let everyguy I go on a date with hang out with my son. Due to my personal circumstances this is how it has to be.
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ps....the gender role question....tricky. I answer it honestly, that I am more traditional than not, but that I am single now and care about my work etc. etc.I'm somewhere middle of the road. But the thing is, I think I tend to attract the opposite of most of the girls here (that are speaking up anwyway), I tend to get men that want the super ambitious women and they don't seem to like my answer either


But, after this conversation I might have a little more understanding of why men ask that question in the first place.....
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I think that is perfect. However, I will say occasionally I get scared of the guys who stress how close they currently they are with their family (not guys with kids, guys without kids). I dont know if this is code for wanting a family, or if it is code for I spend every weekend with my mom.....and I hope you do too.... just sayin...
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hahaha- I am the only one who would actually LIKE to be barefoot and pregnant?


It's just that the gender role question makes me feel like he may not see meas anything more than a caretaker.[/quote]

I thought that being adevoted full-time momwas supposedly the most noble station in life? Alex, you seem to be assuming a lot of facts not in evidence here..."traditional" does not automatically mean "subservient housemaid/nanny"...kind of insulting
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