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Muria is offline Muria Post #1  January 24,2008, 2:06pm
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Can conversation that connects on a deep, intimate level sometimes mean more to women than having sex? You bet - but it's a turn off when you men have that conversation with another woman. When discussing the definition of "cheating" within a relationship, most men consider sex as the biggest betrayal. For many women, finding out that their man has a closer, long term emotional connection with another woman can hurt more deeply than hearing her man had a non-emotional, one night stand. Men's Betrayal, keeping secrets, and not opening up emotionally to their partner are the biggest reasons why women cut off a relationship early in the dating stage. How can men understand these complex feelings from a woman's point of view?

In this article: http://psychology.suite101.com/article.cfm/emotional_cheating , leading psychologist share why men often unknowingly lose a potential partner because they are "cheating" without having sex. They don't realize that platonic, emotionally intimate relationships with the opposite sex is often a more damaging and painful type of infidelity than sex without emotional intimacy. Sexual infidelity is painful and damaging, yes, but be aware that there are other ways to cheat.

* Men, read the article and let us know if you have done this unknowingly before and hurt your partner.
* Women, once you read this article, can you relate to this? Do you think that Men are a little more blind than we are to these kind of infidelities? Is society more accepting of men behaving in this way? How do you feel about it?

Here are more studies that reveal the main source for most relationship breakups: [*]http://psychology.suite101.com/artic...ional_cheating[*]http://www.survivinginfidelity911.co...s-it-cheating/[*]http://www.allaboutlove.org/emotional-infidelity.htm[*]http://www.buzzle.com/articles/relat...nfidelity.html[*]http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun...elity-618.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_affair[/list]
If you've found information showing otherwise, share it with us.

Are you a man who asks in your eharmony questionnaire: "Do you have a problem with me having close friendships with the opposite sex?" and found this to be a turn off with women you are interested in dating? After reading some of the above studies showing the results of this behavior, do you understand better why women are turned off and hurt by your close friendships with the opposite sex? We want you to have your freedom, but there are boundaries to observe and respect. Women, let us know why men's close friendshps with the opposite sex can be a problem. Men, how do you feel about this? Share your own experiences in this forum:
 
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Dr. Warren has posted an article on this. I am not sure about how I would feel about this. But what I know is that I did not like my ex keeping an emotionally intimate friendship a secret. I know that I did not like that he acted like there was something wrong with me that he could be this way with another woman but was not able to be this way with me. There was no reason for him to except that he had been in counseling for having what he considered emotional affairs. He was hiding and he was hiding for selfish reasons. He took my power from me to react and be who I was in the relationship. I do not know that I will ever forgive him for treating me like an object that he owned.
 
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SEcond time you've posted this. I still think that friendships with the opposite gender are being blown out of proportion as a "threat" or prelude to some kind of betrayal. The biggest betrayal is raising little girls to believe that love and marriage are about being "everything" for their partner. No one person can fulfill all the needs of another.

My ex-husband had (probably still has) a couple of very close friends from high school, and two or three more he met through me. I wasn't threatened by that - they had common interests and skills that I didn't share. It kept him active and made him a more interesting person. The marriage would have ended much sooner if we'd had to be joined at the hip. Come to think of it, the marriage probably lasted longer because he had those women to confide in and give him advice.

I really think the betrayal you're citing is perceived as such by insecure women who see their entire identity as being embedded in their relationship. Their partner can't give them everything, and they can't expect to provide everything their partner needs.
 
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Friendships need boundaries. There are different levels of friendships. Each level has a boundary. The more intimate the relationship, the narrower your boundary. The closer in distance that person is to you. You can visualize it as a physical distance but it is an emotional distance. If a woman needs for her husband to be her best friend, there is nothing insecure about it. It just is. It is her need. Just because her need is not your need, does not make her less. Just makes her different. Makes her less self sufficient. Just because her husband is not able to give her this, does not mean that she is to not have her need met. She can find others to be her best friend. But ... if she wants this from her husband, and it is a deal breaker, than he is to be honest and not hold her in contempt and ridicule. The problem between men and women, is that it is difficult to keep separate the bond of friendship from the attraction that that person is the opposite sex. I feel that for men it is about sex. For women it is about relationship. Boundaries is what keeps the two in a certain relationship. One does not have sex with his sister or her brother. Why, because of a boundary. Thay can still be in relationship and be best friends. This is a more familiar boundary. The same plays in relationship between men and women that are not of the same family. Betrayal is the breaking of a presumptive social contract (trust or confidence). Presumptive is giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief. Personally, I told my husband time and again, that I was not interested in being one of his women. My ex told me what Spider indicated about a man needing more than one woman. This guy was not in relationship with his mother, sister or me. But was in intimate emotinal relationship with women that he identified as his soul mate. Fine already. But it is not what I wanted. I had a contract with him, a trust or confidence. He lied. He wanted both. I got the physical sex and the dirty laundry. I was compensated financially. I was an employee. It was a betrayal. It is not a perception. It is an injury. It has pain associated with it. I did not ask for everything. If anything I am too self sufficient. But this was a deal breaker. Mine. Read the articles.
 
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Friendships need boundaries. There are different levels of friendships. Each level has a boundary. The more intimate the relationship, the narrower your boundary. The closer in distance that person is to you. You can visualize it as a physical distance but it is an emotional distance.
One of my best friends that I've ever had is a member of the opposite sex and my girlfriend is extremely jealous of her. I have a lot in common with this girl, we share the same major, enjoy the same movies, like the same sports teams, etc. I have never had a female friend who I actually cared about before. I was friends with this girl since before I started dating my current girlfriend (its been over a year now). My girlfriend makes me feel guilty whenever I see or talk to my friend. We have never done more than hug and I keep things out in the open and am usually with other people when I'm around her. However, every single guy friend my girlfriend has wants to be more than friends with her, which I don't like. She just recently gave her phone number to a guy at a party because they had a "good conversation" and he asked so she just gave it to him. Then when we were relaxing the next day he texted her and I had no idea who it was but it was clear he didn't want to just talk. Is her behavior really any different from mine according to this article? She just wants to have good friends of the opposite sex to talk to and share common interests, its not her fault that they find her physically attractive, make advances, or say comments like "its too bad you have a boyfriend." I know she would never do anything, but I don't trust men, I am a believer in that guys don't go to parties to make friends with girls, and I get jealous when she talks to these guys because she does not tell me about them, I have never met one of them, and they use forms of communication which are not out in the open. I just want to know if my friendships with girls are any better/worse than hers? I think its totally different as I've known my friend for almost 2 years whereas she meets a guy, talks to him once in person, then calls him a "friend." I also tell her about whenever I see my friend or what we talked about. She tells me nothing and I have to ask. I probably already know the answer, but I'd like some other people's opinions because I have never been in a relationship which has lasted this long before and I really love this girl and want her to be happy but at the same time I am tired of being jealous over what I think are not real friendships.
 
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4th Horseman. You may want to consider that her conversations with another man are to be held in the same confidence as if it was with another woman. That she is attractive to the opposite sex is something that you are just going to have to accept. She does not have to know everything that you talk to your friend that is female. That you tell her is your choice. It may be a break in the confidence of the trust that your female friend has with you. You will need to ask her. That you tell your girlfriend of your conversations seems to have strings attached. You have an expectation that she should tell you. But neither of your conversations with an opposite sex friend should contain information that have to be secrets from a significant other. It is a choice to hold a confidence and it is a good choice. There needs to be trust at the heart of your relationship. Trust can be something that you learned about from what was modeled for you while you were growing up. Check out that maybe this is what is unsettling your trust for your girlfriend. That your friendship with your female friends is better/worse than your girlfriends friends is not really what your question is. Your question is whether or not you can trust your girlfriend. Your answer was yes. A faith not tested is not worth much. Your trust is being tested. What guys want at parties is not necessarily what they get. Your guilt has to do with your relationship with your female friend. To have that closeness with a friend, you have to accept that your girlfriend may have that closeness with another male. It can not be a double standard.
 
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4th Horseman. You may want to consider that her conversations with another man are to be held in the same confidence as if it was with another woman. That she is attractive to the opposite sex is something that you are just going to have to accept. She does not have to know everything that you talk to your friend that is female. That you tell her is your choice. It may be a break in the confidence of the trust that your female friend has with you. You will need to ask her. That you tell your girlfriend of your conversations seems to have strings attached. You have an expectation that she should tell you. But neither of your conversations with an opposite sex friend should contain information that have to be secrets from a significant other. It is a choice to hold a confidence and it is a good choice. There needs to be trust at the heart of your relationship. Trust can be something that you learned about from what was modeled for you while you were growing up. Check out that maybe this is what is unsettling your trust for your girlfriend. That your friendship with your female friends is better/worse than your girlfriends friends is not really what your question is. Your question is whether or not you can trust your girlfriend. Your answer was yes. A faith not tested is not worth much. Your trust is being tested. What guys want at parties is not necessarily what they get. Your guilt has to do with your relationship with your female friend. To have that closeness with a friend, you have to accept that your girlfriend may have that closeness with another male. It can not be a double standard.
I see your point. Well, something happened earlier in our relationship which really damaged my trust, I guess I'm still working back up to the point where I'll feel comfortable with her having guy friends again ... I thought I was already there, but new guy friends just brought old memories back. Thank you for your prompt and wise response.
 
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Muria, wrote :
Can conversation that connects on a deep, intimate level sometimes mean more to women than having sex? You bet - but it's a turn off when you men have that conversation with another woman. When discussing the definition of "cheating" within a relationship, most men consider sex as the biggest betrayal. For many women, finding out that their man has a closer, long term emotional connection with another woman can hurt more deeply than hearing her man had a non-emotional, one night stand. Men's Betrayal, keeping secrets, and not opening up emotionally to their partner are the biggest reasons why women cut off a relationship early in the dating stage. How can men understand these complex feelings from a woman's point of view?

In this article: http://psychology.suite101.com/article.cfm/emotional_cheating , leading psychologist share why men often unknowingly lose a potential partner because they are "cheating" without having sex. They don't realize that platonic, emotionally intimate relationships with the opposite sex is often a more damaging and painful type of infidelity than sex without emotional intimacy. Sexual infidelity is painful and damaging, yes, but be aware that there are other ways to cheat.

* Men, read the article and let us know if you have done this unknowingly before and hurt your partner.
* Women, once you read this article, can you relate to this? Do you think that Men are a little more blind than we are to these kind of infidelities? Is society more accepting of men behaving in this way? How do you feel about it?

Here are more studies that reveal the main source for most relationship breakups: [*]http://psychology.suite101.com/artic...ional_cheating[*]http://www.survivinginfidelity911.co...s-it-cheating/[*]http://www.allaboutlove.org/emotional-infidelity.htm[*]http://www.buzzle.com/articles/relat...nfidelity.html[*]http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun...elity-618.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_affair[/list]
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Would I be jealous if my mate had a deeper emotional connection to another woman? Yes, definitely. I'd be wondering if I were chopped liver....
 
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