In a man's mind, I'm wondering if there is a fine line when deciding if a woman is a "cling-on" or not. Take, for example, my situation. I've always worried that a man would get fed up with me, because he would be the one doing all the driving. I would not expect to do everything together. Is there a defined criteria thatevery man expects fromevery woman?Because of an issue with my vision, I would rely on him, everytime we were to go somewhere together.Ialso think that there is a point in a relationship when I should be able to expect that he would not need hisspace and would choose me over hanging out with his friends. What about including me inthose social situations.Am I completely out of luck finding the perfect guy for me,if he knows going in, that this is my situation? I HOPE NOT, I THINK I JUST AS ENTITLED TO FIND A MAN ASANYONE ELSE.
A good man would be understanding about your limitations concerning driving. I think that after a certain amount of time in the gettting-to-know you and attraction phase, there will be a period when you both will want to introduce each other to friends and family.
If your boyfriend is reluctant to introduce you to family and/orfriends, be warned. This can be a BIG RED FLAG. He is eitherashamed of his family and friends OR he is living a double life and doesn't want a REAL relationship, just someone else to string along in his fantasy world.
A mature guy willinvite his friends over to meet you orwill invite you out to meet them when the relationship gets serious. If he wants tohang out with his friends most of the time and exclude you, you arenot very important to him. I would RUN!!! FAST!!! Of course, even the most devoted men need an occasional night out with the guys so thatthey can have the space necessary tofeel their appreciation for how great you are, etc.
Thank you purpleone. I have always felt that way, but Ineeded to hear it from someone else. Ishouldbe able to bemyself, and it will be the "right" man who will allow me to be who I am. I guess it isn't really the "opening up" part that has been as difficult as keeping the relationship going long-term. Somehow, the guys I've dated, who originally were so understanding, suddenly didn't get me at all, and wanted me to change. There are justsome things that can't be changed at will, they can only be accepted.
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5.No Fat Chicks—Women, we are far from perfect. However, backward as our gender is, we can still tell when your BODY below your bra-band is
a) Cropped out
b) Recessed
c) Hidden
d) Camouflaged
If you have years of physical neglect to show us, what is the payoff in hiding it? Men rarely fall in love with a Madison Avenue face on a body the size of a sumo wrestler. Also, men over thirty can guess thatIF the face is “voluptuous” --and face shots are all that got posted—You might have weight reduction to do. Come on!! Cut out the winter coats!
Additionally and related to number 5
6)No Pictures: These women are close to God since they will not allow you to see their graven image. Women, men are turned on visually[/b]. We get attracted at the beginning, not 3 weeks later when you want to send a pic. I see so many people from BOTH genders that rant that no pictures is a huge waste of time, and it is!
Comments on the "picture thing" (for the 586th time):
Ladies, I know many women have an issue with posting pictures. Many do so belatedly, relunctantly, "strategically", or not at all. I hear all the time that you resist because you "don't want them floating around the internet", "want someone to be interested in me for more than what I look like", and/or (admit it) you are trying to "hide" something--usually weight--that you hope against all possible logic your match somehow won't notice. Please take the following to heart because this is all true (you want to know what guys are thinking, right?)...
1) EH-posted photos CAN NOT be copied or cut & pasted. There is NO danger that someone can "misuse" your pictures and, unless you are posting provocative ones--which EH won't allow anyway, there is nothing to be embarrassed about even if that were the case. You are going to date someone in a public place, so please take reasonable precautions but STOP BEING PARANOID...it is very unappealing.
2) Any decent guy IS "going to become interested in you for who you are on the inside." Here is how "IT" works for men:your "look" catches our eye and makes us want to get to know you better. When we do, and it "clicks", we fall for you and want a real LTR with you. The "player" guy who just wants sex cares about nothing beyond your looks, but, by hiding/delaying your photos, you are likely screening out a lot of good guys because they don't have the opportunity to be "initially intriqued" and/or assume the worst about someone who doesn't show their pics. Yes, we are turned on visually at the outset--it is not a con--it is REAL!
3) The most ridiculous reason of all! He is going to see you eventually and delaying the inevitable is NOT going to change the result of that one way or the other. In other words, a man is not going to become so enthralled with you in GC/OC that hefails to noticean "unattractive physical package" (to him) on a blind 1st date. Whatever you look like, it is best to be upfront and honest about it from the get-go; the guys who are aren't visually interested, won't pursue you (or waste his/your time in the process) and guys who are, will. Why not just dispense with that whole necessary issue up front (as much as photos allow)?
There is absolutely no point in not posting pics or posting only "strategic" ones (i.e. face-shots only, hidden body, loose clothing, etc.) We can usually tell by the size of your upper arm, the shape of the face/neck, and the fact that the rest of you is "unseen" what is likely going on--we are not fooled! And what, pray tell, would be the benefit of fooling us anyway? A 1st (and only) date that is going absolutely nowhere?
Virtually every woman writes that they want "honesty" in a partner. This is honesty and it is quite dishonest to pretend or fake or hide what you really are or are not. In "real life" nobody walks around covered head-to-toeby some generic computer-generated silhouette or "strategically camouflaged." OL dating is difficult and frustrating enough without these sort of wasteful games going on.
Food for thought...NO FLAMES!
What if we just wrote itin the profile? I'm fat. I'm not a sumo wrestler but I'm also not a petite size two. I'm 5'10" a big girl. How's that? A full body shot still needed?
Wonkygirl:
Hey, do whatever you want to do. I'm not being flippant here...but I still don't understand why you would want to describe yourself (esp. in a derogatory way) rather than just letting your pictures speak for themselves. Obviously, photos are important since every online dating sight allows and encourages them. Why not post a few full-length shots in your photo portfolio and leave it at that?
Hey guys, I tell you another characteristic of a woman I cannot stand are those that freak out on you. Most of the women I have dated or have had relationships with have been divorced, and still have scars from it. First, we open up communications, we e-mail each other, call each other, and the woman tells me her pity stories of her divorce and how all she wants to do is meet a nice guy. We have our first date, then after that she does now know what to think because she has never dated a nice guy/gentleman before. So, they freak out and drop off the face of the earth.
My last relationship was with a woman who has three daughters and two ex husbands. When we had our first date, she said all she wanted was to meet a nice guy. Things went great for the next four months, then she goes from saying "I love you" during her lunch hour at work to telling me it's all over that same night. Apparently, she is not fully recovered from her divorce from her ex husband, or so at least that is what she claims.
Here is another amusing one: A couple of weeks ago, I opened up communications with another girl. Once again, the same song and dance story of how bitter her divorce was, and how painful it was. We make plans to have out first date for a week later, we talk almost every evening on the phone, getting to know each other better. I really thought we had some chemistry. Then on a Thursday afternoon, she calls me to reconfirm our date for Friday. All seemed well. Then after I get back from Taekwondo class, there is an e-mail from her saying she has to cancel the date because it was exactly one year ago when she broke up with her ex husband, and the memories are still too fresh.
I know that freaking out is human nature, and its perfectly natural to freakout. Hell, even I freak out every once in a while. But, I don't give into my fears. I believe in giving a person a chance.
So, to all of the divorced women out there, when you meet a nice guy, all I ask is that you please give him a chance and don't freak out!!!!!
ravitkd,
There are women, like me, who did not go through a bitter divorce, or, would never express their bitterness about one to a prospective date. My advice to you--run the other way a soon as they start with the gory details!
One more comment on photos, the same applies to men. 90% of my matches have NO photo at all. The rest have one, sometimes two, many are from a distance and you can not see features.
I am not "all about looks" but I want to SEE who I am corresponding with. I have requested numerous photos, but most guys never reply and the match gets closed out.
One more comment on photos, the same applies to men. 90% of my matches have NO photo at all. The rest have one, sometimes two, many are from a distance and you can not see features. I am not "all about looks" but I want to SEE who I am corresponding with. I have requested numerous photos, but most guys never reply and the match gets closed out.
I completely agree...it works both ways. It is hard to take someone seriously who doesn't take the time to post decent photos of themselves---NO EXCUSES
One more comment on photos, the same applies to men. 90% of my matches have NO photo at all. The rest have one, sometimes two, many are from a distance and you can not see features. I am not "all about looks" but I want to SEE who I am corresponding with. I have requested numerous photos, but most guys never reply and the match gets closed out.
I completely agree...it works both ways. It is hard to take someone seriously who doesn't take the time to post decent photos of themselves---NO EXCUSES
Hi fellas, all woman here, when I get a match with no photo, I'll read the profile and if it's interesting enough, send a photo nudge. No pic in a week? Close. I have 6 photos up, all within the last year, assorted head and action shots. No surprises from me, don't want any from him.
Hey MP, did you ever go for it & meet up with your "experimental" photo-less match? I was out of the country on vacation last week & lost the thread - I know you said she posted photos eventually after your teeth-pulling "conversation" by phone & that she looked quite nice. But I missed the end of the tale! Just wondering....hope you are well!
Some of the guys not posting photos are probably decent looking... but too lazy to post? Think women should want them for what's on the inside? LOL! (Does that sound familiar?)
I'm flexible on many things about looks but I want the courtesy of seeing who I am talking with.
Oh - and someone posted that the photos here could not be borrowed and used elsewhere -- that is just NOT true it's VERY easy to do a "screen capture" and paste the resulting captured image into any photo ready software, even Word. So boys and girls, think about that when you post a photo
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