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To lindt10,I agreed with you wholeheartedly about howhanging out with friends of the opposite sex can be too time-consuming when we are actually looking for a spouse. But the comment at the very end really left me for a loop!This attitude about having "friends with benefits" is really sick!


That is how people get used! Do the women who are your "friends with benefits" KNOW that's all they are. Do women do this to YOU also? I am sorry if I am old-fashioned, but I think sex needs to remain in the realm ofcommitted, caring, exclusive, long-term relationships. What kind of woman would AGREE to just be a friend with benefits? I had a guy do this to me a time or two (I am sure women do it to guys, too.)but at the time, I assure you, they led me to believe I was much, more more than just a "friend," and that I was indeed the woman of their dreams!Well, no more, honey, I have learned my lesson!!!!


I will no longerget too lovey dovey with anyone until I am CERTAIN the relationship islong-term and exclusive. SHAME on you for having"friends with benefits!" What does this say about your character and they way you treat others???Women deserve better than this from you and from all men!!!


"Friends with benefits" usually involves some deception about how you feel, and you know it.Most decent women won't go to bed with anyone unless they think there is a future involved. Shame on you and the ones who allow themselves to be tricked!!!


- July 17th, 2008, 01:22 pm
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To lindt10,I agreed with you wholeheartedly about howhanging out with friends of the opposite sex can be too time-consuming when we are actually looking for a spouse. But the comment at the very end really left me for a loop!This attitude about having "friends with benefits" is really sick!


That is how people get used! Do the women who are your "friends with benefits" KNOW that's all they are. Do women do this to YOU also? I am sorry if I am old-fashioned, but I think sex needs to remain in the realm ofcommitted, caring, exclusive, long-term relationships. What kind of woman would AGREE to just be a friend with benefits? I had a guy do this to me a time or two (I am sure women do it to guys, too.)but at the time, I assure you, they led me to believe I was much, more more than just a "friend," and that I was indeed the woman of their dreams!Well, no more, honey, I have learned my lesson!!!!


I will no longerget too lovey dovey with anyone until I am CERTAIN the relationship islong-term and exclusive. SHAME on you for having"friends with benefits!" What does this say about your character and they way you treat others???Women deserve better than this from you and from all men!!!


"Friends with benefits" usually involves some deception about how you feel, and you know it.Most decent women won't go to bed with anyone unless they think there is a future involved. Shame on you and the ones who allow themselves to be tricked!!!

Someone thinks so high of themselves that they can sit in judgment of others. When did you get the right to decide the moral law? Any activity mutually agreed upon should be ok. Who are you to tell others that their character is flawed, or they types of women they are with are flawed or shame on you for anything, simply becauseyou do not agree with them? Your closed minded attitude iswhat is a serious character flaw. Being prude and uptight does not make you right it just makes you prude and uptight.
- July 17th, 2008, 01:29 pm
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bythesea33 wrote :

You forgot to include Ms. Independent -- that's me and I'm convinced that is why men avoid me. You mention the Commitment-Phile, but I think men are even more afraid of a woman who doesn't really need them at all. While I'd like to have a man in my life, I can live without one and I'm not desperate to be with one, so I'm not going to settle for the first guy who shows an interest. I think men fear rejection more than anything else, and they might think they won't measure up to high standards.
You are soooo right. Also a woman that like to be practical. I have always HAD to be practical. Lack of money made me a lot of what I am today. At 67 I can take care of myself and have more today than at any time in my life and I am having a GREAT time doing it.


Now, I would love to have a good male friend to go places with and I can pay my own way. There might even be benifits.Give me a try. I might even marry someone someday. MAYBE.


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- July 17th, 2008, 01:31 pm
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You're all missing it here. Here's the 5 things men won't tolerate:


1. Fat 2.Fat 3.Fat 4.Fat 5. Fat


I've see it over and over with friends and family. Women can be horrid to their men, but they keep coming back for more as long as they've got a nice 'bod.


I'm better to any man than any man deserves. I'm a great cook, nice person, very attentive, well-liked, don't spend money, I make good money, etc. However, I'm overweight. So, men look right past me and end up with the bitch that spends all their money, doesn't work, cheats on them, can't boil water,keeps a messy house, bitches constantly, etc. Go figure.....no pun intended.

I would like to be your new best friend!!! I'm so sick of seeing men with these women who have NOOOO personality. Women who act like they deserve everything on a silver platter and then chew the heads off of every man they date! I am a good parent, I have a good job, I have kept all of the same friends I've hadsince junior high and I have to say that I am not bad looking. But I am a little fat so men don't even notice when I'm in the room. What gives? If men are overweight they don't get the same response from women. As a matter of fact, every man I have ever dated has been a littlepudgy. All my friends keep saying, oh there are plenty ofguys out there who like big girls (all of my friends are skinny, by the way). But I am putting a challenge out there forone of those types to come out of the woodwork!
- July 17th, 2008, 01:36 pm
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You forgot one more type...The Independent, I Don't Need a Man to Fulfill Me type...Men love to be needed and wanted. I'm this type of woman, so i'm speaking from experience. I'm working on it though, so wish me luck. P.S. If there are any guys out there who aren't threatened or turned off by this kind of woman, reply to my ad.
I have been curious about the 'Independent' ladies.


I am looking for someone who I could raise kids with.


Would the independent woman walk into the Sunset after having a kid?


Or does it mean they are just not clingy and helpless or maybe they just like a bit of time alone. I have had a lot of time alone and enjoy it myself.


I guess I would ask how an 'Independent Woman' would describe herself in terms of what her expectations are for a relationship.


How is labeling ones self as 'Independent' not like saying 'I would rather be alone'?


I guess I could be an 'Independent Man' if I were sure of the definition. If I do not have kids with a nice lady, I will probalbily be the old single Uncle, who leaves a Sibling's kid a tidy nest egg.
- July 17th, 2008, 01:37 pm
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This one is for both sexes - The Hypochondriac.


Nothing is more tiresome then someone who talks ad nauseum about his/her health, and belly aches about every little nick and scrap, headache, stubbed toe. They want a 'nurse' or 'paramedic' on 'stand-by' - not a partner.


Yuck.
This is true for many men and women. WHY? This person is looking for attention most of the time. Granted, there are people that really do think they are sick all the time. They really do need help but we can't give them the help they need.


If he or she comes home and doesn't feel well, maybe we can find out what made them feel the need for attention. Maybe we both need some attention and then .......
- July 17th, 2008, 01:46 pm
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How is labeling ones self as 'Independent' not like saying 'I would rather be alone'?


Yep, that is my take on Ms. Independent. Some woman make it a point to prove that they don't need anyone - which is fine - but when carried too far make you wonder where you are supposed to fit into their lives.


My suggestion to Ms Independant: Make sure to express that you do want company and let him know you will make time if you have a busy schedule (ie there needs to be room in your life if you want to share it with someone).
- July 17th, 2008, 01:50 pm
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LawyerDan wrote :

Less complicated, like stay home, clean my house, make my dinner, Im going to smack you around a bit and thats ok. Thats really the era of the gentleman? Women not having equality is the way to go? Men pay for dates.... all the dates? I get the first one and some others, but if it is ever expected then it certainly prostitution. Just because you lack appendage does not give you coupons to free meals. Going back to the 40s means shutting up, not working, and doing what you are told, is that the way a successful relationship looks like? less divorce does not equate to more happiness. Periods are yourproblem just like spontaneous e r ect1ons are ours.
I concur. Whoever asks for the first date pays. After that, it's even-steven.


"Less divorce does not equate to more happiness" is another valid point. Divorce is a viable escape option. While some may feel the reduced stigmas associated with divorce leads to a reduced levels of commitment, this seems like a false corollary. It's an easy answer but I don't think the casual relationship bears out. Marriages are plagued by the same problems as they always have been, but now there is more honesty, less valium, and thus consequently fewer stepford wives.
- July 17th, 2008, 01:56 pm
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To lindt10,I agreed with you wholeheartedly about howhanging out with friends of the opposite sex can be too time-consuming when we are actually looking for a spouse. But the comment at the very end really left me for a loop!This attitude about having "friends with benefits" is really sick!


That is how people get used! Do the women who are your "friends with benefits" KNOW that's all they are. Do women do this to YOU also? I am sorry if I am old-fashioned, but I think sex needs to remain in the realm ofcommitted, caring, exclusive, long-term relationships. What kind of woman would AGREE to just be a friend with benefits? I had a guy do this to me a time or two (I am sure women do it to guys, too.)but at the time, I assure you, they led me to believe I was much, more more than just a "friend," and that I was indeed the woman of their dreams!Well, no more, honey, I have learned my lesson!!!!


I will no longerget too lovey dovey with anyone until I am CERTAIN the relationship islong-term and exclusive. SHAME on you for having"friends with benefits!" What does this say about your character and they way you treat others???Women deserve better than this from you and from all men!!!


"Friends with benefits" usually involves some deception about how you feel, and you know it.Most decent women won't go to bed with anyone unless they think there is a future involved. Shame on you and the ones who allow themselves to be tricked!!!





Someone thinks so high of themselves that they can sit in judgment of others. When did you get the right to decide the moral law? Any activity mutually agreed upon should be ok. Who are you to tell others that their character is flawed, or they types of women they are with are flawed or shame on you for anything, simply becauseyou do not agree with them? Your closed minded attitude iswhat is a serious character flaw. Being prude and uptight does not make you right it just makes you prude and uptight.
You completely misunderstood my comment. First of all, you did not read the part where I said this "friends with benefits" thing was done TO ME but was done in a way that was deceptive, to make me feel as though I was in a committed relationship! If BOTH people completely understand that there is NO FUTURE in the relationship and no plans for marriage EVER, and they still want to have sex, I say GO FOR IT!!! The problem that I have with "friends with benefits" is that it FREQUENTLY involves DECEPTION, leading the other person (of either sex) to believe he or she is in a REAL relationship!!"Friends with benefits" frequently don't know that is what they are. My point is that anyone who deceives another person to get sexneeds to really THINK about how they are HURTINGthe other person instead of just their own selfish needs.If you can get women to agree to have sex with you for NOTHING then go right ahead! That's not what it's all about for me! .
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Well thank you for clarifying that point, your deception was seperate from your character points. We agree I see.
- July 17th, 2008, 01:59 pm
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