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boomer_gal is online now boomer_gal Post #11  January 31,2012, 11:19pm
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In general, I think it is OK to wait till date 2 or 3 before disclosing sensitive information. As others have said, the majority of 1st dates don't move on to relationships. But it is only fair to warn a match of any potential deal breakers before there is heavy emotional investment. My ex had bipolar disease & I would want to know that information fairly early as it would be a total deal breaker for me. I refuse to expose myself to that particular form of heartbreak again. If a match allowed me to become deeply involved and then sprung this info on me I would be extremely upset.
 
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Since none of theses are your actual situation , pondering "dealbreakers" others have is a pointless exercise to further avoid addressing reality.
 
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I agree with the viewpoint that dealbreakers are very hard to discuss in abstract. I'd say overall though my view is that I don't view it as the other person's responsibility to air their deal breakers early in the relationship. Given that courtship is much more about putting your best foot forward I wouldn't expect someone to go out of their way to air all the reasons they would make a bad boyfriend or girlfriend. It also raises the question of where you draw the line.

Rather, I see it as my own responsibility to be aware of what my dealbreakers are and to look for them/ask about them accordingly. I'd also almost argue that for many things you get a better sense through observing someone's behavior than talking about it. Really for me with the second two examples it would be less about someone having these problems and more about how they affected my relationship. I feel like I've generally done pretty good feeling out deal breakers through my own initiative.

I do though think it is my responsibility if someone asks me a question to give them an honest answer, especially if it pertains to something that seems like a deal breaker for them.

I think in many ways we're often seeking ways to avoid ending up with the wrong person. We hope that by learning about deal breakers early on we can avoid wasting time with the people who are wrong with us. But I think there's only so much we can avoid.
 
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Rather, I see it as my own responsibility to be aware of what my dealbreakers are and to look for them/ask about them accordingly. I'd also almost argue that for many things you get a better sense through observing someone's behavior than talking about it.
I can't even begin to imagine asking someone if they have been diagnosed with a mental illness. I would like to think that I would be perceptive enough to pick up clues. But I'd be kidding myself. When my ex was on his meds & was "balanced" he seemed absolutely fine. But that was only part of his reality. I think there is some onus for self disclosure.
 
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I can't even begin to imagine asking someone if they have been diagnosed with a mental illness. I would like to think that I would be perceptive enough to pick up clues. But I'd be kidding myself. When my ex was on his meds & was "balanced" he seemed absolutely fine. But that was only part of his reality. I think there is some onus for self disclosure.
It's definitely tricky. No I wouldn't personally ask someone about their mental illness. I don't know your ex but if he did disclose something early on do you think he would have admitted to being non-compliant? I'm just curious whether disclosing he had it at all would be enough to send you for the door? It's also hard because every mental illness is different and there are quite the continuum. Just hearing a label, doesn't, for me give greatest indication of the impact it would have on a relationship.

But then again, I say this as someone who was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and OCD and who, 4 years later, has worked very hard on it to the point that it does not impact my quality of life. Generally once I'm in a relationship with someone I share it once we're at the point of discussing past struggles and where we've come from. Usually by that point my SO's have been surprised to learn this about me and it's become more of a positive thing when they realize how hard I'm willing to work at something that is important to me. I'm not sure I'd receive the same reception if I shared it early on in fact I think the stigma alone would scare a lot of people away. Yet, it seems unfair when they would never be expected to disclose upfront the fact that they have a bad temper when they drink, have a lot of credit card debt/bad money management skills, etc, when all of these can have equal affect on a relationship.

I guess for me I don't care unless it's bringing down the quality of the relationship or negatively affecting the person and dating them is what would tell me that, not a conversation upfront. I think the bigger problem is people who act a certain way until much further along in the relationship or after marriage, but that happens in so many ways that I just don't know if it is realistic to expect all those things to be disclosed up front.
 
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It's definitely tricky. No I wouldn't personally ask someone about their mental illness. I don't know your ex but if he did disclose something early on do you think he would have admitted to being non-compliant? I'm just curious whether disclosing he had it at all would be enough to send you for the door? It's also hard because every mental illness is different and there are quite the continuum. Just hearing a label, doesn't, for me give greatest indication of the impact it would have on a relationship.
My ex wasn't diagnosed, even with unipolar depression, till many years after we married. But looking back on it, I can see that he had depressive episodes at least a year before our wedding. But back then (mid 70's), who knew about depression?? There weren't ads for antidepressants on TV. It wasn't simply that no one talked about it, no one really understood it. I was a nurse, & I didn't get what was happening with him. I actually think that his antidepressant therapy, some 15 years later, was probably what pushed him into his first manic phase. I did a lot of reading on the subject & apparently that is not all that uncommon.

If I had a crystal ball & could have seen the future, yes, I would have been out the door. The ~ 15 years between his diagnosis w/ bipolar disease & our divorce were devastating, and the financial ramifications will be with me for the rest of my life. It was made all the sadder for me by his unwillingness to acknowledge his illness & accept treatment. Even now, he cannot admit to having bipolar disease. But for me to think that he made the decisions that he did of his free will & not as a result of the illness is the ultimate rejection. He was either mentally ill or he was a total SOB.
 
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Wiseman, I'd rather talk about the theory as opposed to my actual life. I got a good sense of what everyone thought about my life/chances already, so I'm looking more for how other people got across difficult personal issues.

I feel like mine is an easier fix, because if I can get hired somewhere with a decent enough salary, my situation will change dramatically and quickly, whereas mental/physical/addiction type issues I think would be far more difficult fixes. "find a better paying job" I think is more appealing then "become undepressed or unaddicted to drugs and not pay out child support" or something...

As far as grad school goes, the going into more debt aspect has been unappetizing, as has the fact that I generally have worked a really varied schedule (and if I changed my availability, I'd have less hours/been more broke) - I keep trying for some 9-5 type jobs where I can commit to a night time school schedule. Its easy for armchair quarterbacks to say "go to grad school" except if you work 9-5 or 2-10 or 4-12 pretty much at random its not so easy.

Also as I've said a number of times, regardless of % paid towards rent and other things, I didn't have extra money to put into something a graduate degree, it would have been all loans (which I've considered). I spent all my money on living expenses/gas/car insurance/undergrad loans.
 
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Wiseman, I'd rather talk about the theory as opposed to my actual life. I got a good sense of what everyone thought about my life/chances already, so I'm looking more for how other people got across difficult personal issues.

I feel like mine is an easier fix, because if I can get hired somewhere with a decent enough salary, my situation will change dramatically and quickly, whereas mental/physical/addiction type issues I think would be far more difficult fixes. "find a better paying job" I think is more appealing then "become undepressed or unaddicted to drugs and not pay out child support" or something...

As far as grad school goes, the going into more debt aspect has been unappetizing, as has the fact that I generally have worked a really varied schedule (and if I changed my availability, I'd have less hours/been more broke) - I keep trying for some 9-5 type jobs where I can commit to a night time school schedule. Its easy for armchair quarterbacks to say "go to grad school" except if you work 9-5 or 2-10 or 4-12 pretty much at random its not so easy.

Also as I've said a number of times, regardless of % paid towards rent and other things, I didn't have extra money to put into something a graduate degree, it would have been all loans (which I've considered). I spent all my money on living expenses/gas/car insurance/undergrad loans.
Have you actually done any research into what grad school costs or how people pay for it? The way many to most people pay for academic grad school degrees is through fellowships, so normally grad students go to the school that provides the best package. You've mentioned you're a bright guy with a degree in a challenging major. If you have grades that reflect that, you should be able to get some assistance, even if it's not a full ride.

If you're interested in pursuing a more functional master's (JD, business school, public affairs), fellowships are harder to come by. In that case, you will probably need to rely more on loans. Even with a loan component, though, financial aid packages often contain work-study allocations, and that will let you get a job on campus with hours that work with your class schedule. Similarly, if you do score a fellowship, there will often be a teaching assistantship or research assistantship post that comes with it, and that also pays a salary. I realize that paid internships are a lot harder to come by than they used to be, but they still exist as well.

Back in the dark ages (the mid-1990's), I did two Ivy League master's degrees in three years and managed to keep my debt burden low through a combination of working on campus, taking paid internships (one of which turned into my career), and two teaching assistantship appointments. I never, ever slept and I was broke as heck, but if I can do it, anyone can. You just have to want it enough and be willing to work for it.

Bottom line, if you are resourceful, there are ways to pay for grad school that won't shackle you to debt for the rest of your life, especially if you make paying off the loans you do take out a priority. That's coming not from an armchair quarterback, but rather from someone who has actually done it.
 
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PG-13 wrote :
Okay,

My previous attempt at this got a little too personal, I'm going to broaden this question... There are obviously some things that are true about everyone that they don't want anywhere near their profiles... You want the best "version" of yourself out there for everyone to see... So how/when do you disclose the "other parts?"

I came up with 3 different sorts of scenarios...

1) You got divorced/ended a 5+ year serious relationship within the past year and are still emotionally sensitive but want to get a fresh start(emotional issue)
Unless asked about your relationship history there is no need to bring this up at all. If you are not emotionally ready to be dating, for whatever reason, that is going to show up very early on.

2) You have some combination of embarrassing health issues... I had a co-worker that I worked with for a while that had bad hips, Crohns, and awful seasonal allergies (and she couldn't take all the medications at the same time so the least evil was to have horrible hay fever for the spring/summer and sneeze 70+ times a day) (so that's a purely physical issue)
If you have any physical problems that prevent you from living a normal ordinary life then this should be divulged early, possibly even before the first date. When it needs to be divulged is proportional to the severity of the disability. Bad hips could be something that prevents you from climbing a ladder yet has very little impact to your daily activity level to you have to park in a disabled spot and ride around in a scooter chair and you are long overdue for surgery. Allergies could be that you are affected if you go outside to you are allergic to pets of certain types.

3. You have bipolar depression that's fairly under control but still flares up when you get really stressed out so you know you can get amazingly moody (to put it nicely) (which would be a physical and emotional issue)
I am going to expand this some and it is in many ways related to number 2. If you have an illness that is controlled by medicine, be it mental or something like blood pressure, this should be brought up somewhat early on. Many times certain mental problems can be well controlled through medication and the person can lead a very normal life. However, oft times these people have a tendency to quit taking their medication and can become downright dangerous. If the medication is for a physical problem not taking it could be deadly.

So those things wouldn't go on an eHarmony profile (this is all purely hypothetical, I'm not asking for personal advice) but how/when would you break this to a match?
The bottom line is that the severity of the problem determines when it should be revealed.
 
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If it's a deal-breaker, it's a deal-breaker. As a guy you will often be paying for dates, so get it out of the way a.s.a.p. so you can focus on compatible women! I often "slipped" my potential dealbreakers into "second questions" without making a big deal and that seemed to work fine.
 
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