NOT meeting the kids... a Dealbreaker?!


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jussmile is offline jussmile Post #21  January 14,2012, 5:52pm
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Ingytravel wrote :
I know for myself...if someone asked me.."so...when do you think you will love me?"....I would be feeling very pressured....And this may tie in exactly when he wants you to meet the kids...when he feels it is love. This last part is what you should ask him about whether this is the correlation.
This is very interesting perspective Ingy. No wonder we disagree so much! I appreciate the feedback, and that is why I come here... to understand the different perspectives.

But, let's be clear... I am in no way asking him to tell me when he will love me. Not at all. What I am saying is that this is not the optimal situation, and because we do not get to spend quality time together after 5 months, that we should consider introducing kids even in the absence of his love. Because we NEVER get weekends together, and then I have my kids during the week as well, this greatly limits the time we get to spend together. It's not that I'm trying to give up on something perfect because he's not on my timetable... I am saying, without the ability to spend the quality time together, it is actually not perfect, not that great relationship that I am looking for.

He is great, but spending 2 days a week... for just a couple of hours after work... that's it, and not building into something lasting with such a short amount of time actually being together. I have already compromised for the last two months in not getting the weekends and quality together... I think if he wants this to work, then he has to be creative and willing to give as well. It's not even necessarily about the kids... if we could get the quality time together, then that would suffice... but it would require him to be creative since his schedule is not changing.
 
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jussmile wrote :
This is very interesting perspective Ingy. No wonder we disagree so much! I appreciate the feedback, and that is why I come here... to understand the different perspectives.

But, let's be clear... I am in no way asking him to tell me when he will love me. Not at all. What I am saying is that this is not the optimal situation, and because we do not get to spend quality time together after 5 months, that we should consider introducing kids even in the absence of his love. Because we NEVER get weekends together, and then I have my kids during the week as well, this greatly limits the time we get to spend together. It's not that I'm trying to give up on something perfect because he's not on my timetable... I am saying, without the ability to spend the quality time together, it is actually not perfect, not that great relationship that I am looking for.

He is great, but spending 2 days a week... for just a couple of hours after work... that's it, and not building into something lasting with such a short amount of time actually being together. I have already compromised for the last two months in not getting the weekends and quality together... I think if he wants this to work, then he has to be creative and willing to give as well. It's not even necessarily about the kids... if we could get the quality time together, then that would suffice... but it would require him to be creative since his schedule is not changing.
This is why you need to find out if his falling in love coincides with meeting the kids...

Otherwise...it's the same thing as if a guy said.."look...I don't enjoy our time together as much if we don't have sex...so I need to find out when you are going to do this so I can plan whether this will work for me...because that would equal quality time for me"....

Just turning it around as you are now doing the same thing you hated when men would try to pressure you. You are asking this man to compromise on something he holds dear...which are his kids...who hold a much higher place than you which is absolutely to be expected..

If you think you can work around the kids issue and this isn't about them or him not saying I love you...and it's just about being creative to spend more time...then that should be very easy to sit down and discuss with you...

Somehow though...I think you it has a lot to do with the other two things....just my thoughts
 
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jussmile wrote :
He is great, but spending 2 days a week... for just a couple of hours after work... that's it, and not building into something lasting with such a short amount of time actually being together. I have already compromised for the last two months in not getting the weekends and quality together... I think if he wants this to work, then he has to be creative and willing to give as well. It's not even necessarily about the kids... if we could get the quality time together, then that would suffice... but it would require him to be creative since his schedule is not changing.
I think this is the red flag. I have children and if I were serious about dating and finding the love of my life, I would make sure I had at least one weekend night every few weeks to spend together. It almost sounds convenient that he has no weekend time whatsoever. Spending 2 days a week for a few hours at a time sounds like two friends hanging out. I hate to even say this out loud, but my first thought is that he is married. I am saying that only because I know someone who was having a similar situation and the person they were dating turned out to still be married.
 
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I agree with Ingy tthat in his mind this relationship is about two months old, that's too young for ILY and too soon to meet the kids. I am like him when it comes to a bf meeting my kids. There has to be more time, more trials and tests such as working out conflict etc before I'd see the relationship as solid enough to intoduce the kids.

How old are the kids? Simply meeting them is probably not going to escalate the relationship to the level you are seeking. It sounds like to get it where you want to be, he'd have to be comfortable with you staying over at his place on the weekends while he has the kids. Do you simply want to meet the kids or do you want to start interacting with them? If its simply about meeting them, I can see expecting that in the next month or two, but as for relationship building with them, that's much further off.

It is a tough spot, but I believe you work together to overcome the hurdles in each of your lives and build a relationship. Rather than talking break up, talk about ideas and resolutions to create the sort of relationship you both want, figure out which compromises would work. Things don't have to proceed at your desired pace only, nor only at his desired pace, take this on as a team, rather than from the position of one of you trumping the other with their own agenda.
 
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I actually think I would be fine not meeting his kids if we actually got to spend more time together. I should not be in a relationship and never... never, get to spend a weekend with my bf. Every weekend I am finding creative things to do, and not being able to see him for 4 days at a time. To me, it is more about this than meeting his kids at this point. If he can get creative, I would be fine with that. It's just getting really old to be sitting at home by myself on Friday and Saturday nights, while my friends are busy with their families, and not having anyone to spend that time with. Let's face it, that is one of the big reasons we date, so we can have companionship. I have sexship at this point (not really). But, I get to see him during the week for a couple of hours after work. That just does not work. Not about my pace, and requiring that... but it is actually about building a relationship. If that is not on the agenda (which he says it is), then no, I don't think it's too soon or unreasonable to have breakup discussions.
 
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So you have not had 1 weekend date at all in 5 months of dating?

I would personally see this as a big red flag. It is very, very rare for a custody agreement to be written and signed off by a judge where one parent has every weekend custody. Are you absolutely certain this man is not still married? Do you ever go to his "place"?
 
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So you have not had 1 weekend date at all in 5 months of dating?

I would personally see this as a big red flag. It is very, very rare for a custody agreement to be written and signed off by a judge where one parent has every weekend custody. Are you absolutely certain this man is not still married? Do you ever go to his "place"?

Yes, I have gone to his place, and do not believe at all that he is still married. His ex-wife still does not work, so she watches the kids during the week. At the time, he thought it was a good idea which would give him more quality time with his kids on the weekend, rather than rushing with work and school during the week. Now his ex is inflexible with the schedule since it is what was agreed to.

I did get to spend NYE weekend with him. That was very nice, but in 5 months... the ONLY weekend we have spent together. So, I hear what Ingy and others are saying about not being too hasty or requiring him to conform to my needs... but I have absolutely been patient. I have been, and have dealt with it... just at a point now where it is getting really, really old.
 
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Would it be possible for him to get a babysitter for his children so that the two of you could spend a couple Friday or Saturday evenings together a month?
 
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Would it be possible for him to get a babysitter or his children so that the two of you could spend a couple Friday or Saturday evenings together a month?
We talked about a babysitter, and he is considering it for one night this weekend... although, he made it clear from the beginning that this is the only time he gets with his kids so he would only want to do it very rarely on special occasions.

What I told him is that with his schedule, and his belief about being "In Love" and ready for marriage basically before he introduces kids... maybe he is not ready to date. He has been divorced for less than a year, but separated for a couple of years so I thought it would be okay.
 
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jussmile wrote :
We talked about a babysitter, and he is considering it for one night this weekend... although, he made it clear from the beginning that this is the only time he gets with his kids so he would only want to do it very rarely on special occasions.

What I told him is that with his schedule, and his belief about being "In Love" and ready for marriage basically before he introduces kids... maybe he is not ready to date. He has been divorced for less than a year, but separated for a couple of years so I thought it would be okay.

To me, I think this thread is less about meeting the kids but more about if this relationship has legs. I just could not date someone who had no free weekend time at all, ever, and didn't even try to make me a priority in their life. Going on two week night dates for a few hours at a time seems "slow" for a relationship that's been going on for 5 months. I have had to tell myself over and over again that when someone is interested in you, they will move mountains to see you, make you a priority not an option. My ex moved to another country for work and it took me over a year to realize that I was not a priority in his life anymore and our relationship was doomed. You know at the 5 month mark that his kids are going to be a priority for conservatively 45 out of say 52 weekends of the year, is that the sort of relationship you want?
 
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