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rdeffley is offline rdeffley Post #1  December 13,2011, 9:51am
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At one point in time I am sure a lot of people, guys especially, have talked to self proclaimed "nice guys" that always get put in the friend zone or they complain that all girls want to date jerks. Or you will see a guy staring at a beautiful women thinking "if only I could date her" but he won't go up and talk to her.

A nice guy is someone who lacks confidence, acts nervous around women, is afraid to joke, flirt, or playfully touch them, and tries too hard to please women by overdoing compliments, never calling women out on their crap, and in short.. being a pushover. A good guy is a nice guy with balls. He respects women, and treats them extremely well. But he has the self confidence to be himself around women, he doesn't act needy, he flirts, and he doesn't invest too much, too fast. In short, he gives himself options.

It isn't that women want to date jerks. It is just that jerks are more appealing initially because they have confidence, and could care less about rejection. So they don't come off as needy and have that "it" factor that girls find attractive. It isn't until after they have been dating the jerk for awhile, and they realize they can't change them, that they end up leaving.

I used to be one of those "nice guys" who always complained. But it wasn't until I took a hard look at myself and made small changes to my personality, that my luck began to change.
 
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rdeffley wrote :
At one point in time I am sure a lot of people, guys especially, have talked to self proclaimed "nice guys" that always get put in the friend zone or they complain that all girls want to date jerks. Or you will see a guy staring at a beautiful women thinking "if only I could date her" but he won't go up and talk to her.

A nice guy is someone who lacks confidence, acts nervous around women, is afraid to joke, flirt, or playfully touch them, and tries too hard to please women by overdoing compliments, never calling women out on their crap, and in short.. being a pushover. A good guy is a nice guy with balls. He respects women, and treats them extremely well. But he has the self confidence to be himself around women, he doesn't act needy, he flirts, and he doesn't invest too much, too fast. In short, he gives himself options.

It isn't that women want to date jerks. It is just that jerks are more appealing initially because they have confidence, and could care less about rejection. So they don't come off as needy and have that "it" factor that girls find attractive. It isn't until after they have been dating the jerk for awhile, and they realize they can't change them, that they end up leaving.

I used to be one of those "nice guys" who always complained. But it wasn't until I took a hard look at myself and made small changes to my personality, that my luck began to change.
Maybe you should write a self-help book on "The truly effective way of getting the ladies".

Certainly seems like you've got the "Intro" section down.
 
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Maybe you should write a self-help book titled some variation of: "The truly effective way of getting the ladies".

Certainly seems like you've got the "Intro" section down.
 
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rdeffley wrote :
A nice guy is someone who lacks confidence, acts nervous around women, is afraid to joke, flirt, or playfully touch them, and tries too hard to please women by overdoing compliments, never calling women out on their crap, and in short.. being a pushover. A good guy is a nice guy with balls. He respects women, and treats them extremely well. But he has the self confidence to be himself around women, he doesn't act needy, he flirts, and he doesn't invest too much, too fast. In short, he gives himself options.
What do I have to do to be a great guy?
 
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What do I have to do to be a great guy?
MOTOS doesn't think of you that way already?
 
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MOTOS doesn't think of you that way already?
Oops....yep....right. What was I thinking?
 
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It is my prerogative to disagree with you.
I agree with you to disagree with rdeffley
 
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It's funny to me how people like to redefine words to fit what they're trying to say. "Nice guy" has gotten a negative connotation, so now some add the negativity to the definition.

If we modify the original statement, a "nice guy" is someone respects women, and treats them extremely well. (Probably not just women). Just that.

Then, some nice guys are spineless, and whine about not getting women because they're too nice (even though they otherwise respect the women and treat them extremely [probably too] well). You're correct, it's not because they're too nice that they're not getting the women, it's because they're spineless.

Then, other nice guys also have balls, and so they get the women.

Though, the trick is that, in my experience, if a woman is presented with a somewhat spineless "nice guy" and a ballsy jerk ... they'll usually pick the jerk. "Nice" just isn't useful for initial attraction for anything other than a friend. And, even more so, being too helpful or even respectful initially may make one appear to be spineless...
 
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rdeffley wrote :
A nice guy is someone who lacks confidence, acts nervous around women, is afraid to joke, flirt, or playfully touch them, and tries too hard to please women by overdoing compliments, never calling women out on their crap, and in short.. being a pushover. A good guy is a nice guy with balls. He respects women, and treats them extremely well. But he has the self confidence to be himself around women, he doesn't act needy, he flirts, and he doesn't invest too much, too fast. In short, he gives himself options.

I used to be one of those "nice guys" who always complained. But it wasn't until I took a hard look at myself and made small changes to my personality, that my luck began to change.
How does one change from nice guy to good guy?

When I've tried something different, the results are often worse. When I disagree with someone there's sometimes a nasty argument. When I try to act confident, it comes off as cocky. When I make a joke, sometimes I offend someone.

I want to make the small changes you have, but I don't see how.
 
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