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so how many people plan to "hook up" this labor day weekend?
 
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1Horselady wrote :
And to think there are actually people who wait until there's a wedding ring on their finger to do this!



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this is why guys buy CZ rings and propose in 30 days
 
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I have two beefs with you recitation of "Oxytocin makes me unable to think:"

- First, that differences in random individuals are almost always greater than differences in gender means.

The whole argument that "women are always emotionally disabled by sex" is as rediculous as the argument that "women are unable to do math, and thus should be steared away from ciriculum or occupations which involve math."

Just because it can be scientifically established that there is a difference in means by gender, does not support the over-the-top conclusion you keep posting.

Claims of that kind need better context to avoid eye-rolling.

- Two, due to both the above and personal philosophy, I refuse to allow decisions in my life based on assumption of gender stereotypes, when I can make my own observations of an individual.

Daily interaction on this service reveals that plently of women can have sex without their brain checking out, and plenty of men still get their sex ideas from the bible.

I don't like seeing (weak) arguments that use gender as a trump-card, to make claims far beyond the boundary of the validity of such claims.

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I think you know that, too.
You are completely misreading what I've said on the subject though. I didn't say it doesn't allow people to think or that women become emotionally disabled.

I said it creates an emotional attachment. And the scientific evidence is pretty clear on that.

Ask yourself why are so many women in perpetually bad relationships despite being otherwise smart thinking women? It doesn't make sense right? I mean we see it here at the boards all the time when the one-night stand girls come in crying and asking what happened to the guy that they thought was The One and/or the girls who come here rationalizing away bad behavior so they can stay in a relationship with a guy who is treating them poorly.

Guy has sex with a girl and thinks gee that was nice, I might tap that again. A girl has sex with a guy and it feels like she's found her soulmate. The difference is that Love Potion No. 9. It makes you feel like you can't let go, even though you can and probably should. I just wish you could feel what it's like, Dlion. Maybe then you'd understand.

What I want is for people to realize that this hormone system is there driving behavior unconsciously. For women, I want them to know because once you are aware and realize it's there, it makes it is easier to overcome and to make more logical choices that are not just emotional based. For guys, I just think it might help them understand some of the things they seem to ask about at these boards.

I do not in any way mean to say women can't think because of it or that it should absolve them of responsibility for their actions. I just want to suggest that women should be cautious about engaging sex and choose their partners wisely, because they may be prone to more emotional attachment than a particular guy (not necessarily you) deserves.

As far as gender stereotypes, it is laudable not to pigeonhole people because of them, but men and women -are- different. The same as different skin color confers different resistances to the sun. If people choose to be racist because of such differences, that is sad, but it doesn't negate the reality that the hormone melanin makes you resist the deleterious effects of the sun better and the lack of it makes you more susceptible.

Ignoring the difference is unwise.

Oxytocin has its effect on women the same as testosterone has its effect on men. When the biological differences that result for a man and a woman can be celebrated as beautiful and cherished, rather than used for personal agendas or to hold people back, then I suppose we will be past the whole gender bias thing and that will be a mighty good thing.

I abhor pigeonholing anyone, but I also abhor sticking your head in the sand and ignoring reality. Oxytocin is a reality, the same as testosterone, and they each have their effects. Some more than others and some less, but these hormones are still a reality for each of the genders.

It's wise to be aware of the effects in yourself, whatever they may be, and respond accordingly to make good choices. And I think if you can understand those effects in the opposite sex and accept them, then you make a better partner.

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What I personally know is that the oxytocin thing explained what was going on with sex for me. It does create a lot of emotional attachment for me. If I engage in sex with someone whose not really a good fit for me, that has an emotional consequence. I will try to make it work with them much harder than I probably should because it creates a great deal of emotional investment.

That's ultimately a time waster for me if we aren't really all that compatible. It just means FWB is a bad idea for me, so I don't do that.

I like personally to wait a little while to see who a person really is and decide, yes I want to be attached to this person or no, I really don't. I also think it doesn't hurt to be aware that some guys' intent for you is you're just "good for now" and they apparently don't care if they develop your affection so long as they have their fun in the meantime. You can state yer expectations to them, but that doesn't mean they will be honest or comply.

There is nothing in anything I've said about not thinking.

Quite the contrary. I am definitely a thinking woman.

To me jumping into bed with someone who is practically a stranger = not thinking.
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Nanette wrote :


30ish days. A lot can happen in 30 days

Exactly, so maybe you're better off waiting 7 months instead of 6, cuz who knows what the guy can do wrong in those 30 days. Better yet, wait 8 instead of 7. Even better, wait 9 instead of 8, cuz who knows. 10 would be even better than 9. Heck, waste a whole year of your life putting off sex waiting for the guy to be less than Disney.
 
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Exactly, so maybe you're better off waiting 7 months instead of 6, cuz who knows what the guy can do wrong in those 30 days. Better yet, wait 8 instead of 7. Even better, wait 9 instead of 8, cuz who knows. 10 would be even better than 9. Heck, waste a whole year of your life putting off sex waiting for the guy to be less than Disney.
I don't know that I could hold out six months with a guy I'm REALLY interested in. lmao
 
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its whenever i feel comfortable. 6 months works for me!
 
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most guys dont make it that far anyway
 
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olneyjeeps wrote :
You'd be surprised at how many (mostly under 35) women on OKCupid answer "will not have sex until married"

"I don't like seeing (weak) arguments that use gender as a trump-card, to make claims far beyond the boundary of the validity of such claims."

I think DL is right on track... far to many people buy into those "Men are from..." / "I'ts DNA" trash myths... DNA is a fluid / constantly changing map that YOU can habitually turn different options on or off. "You" choose what sex means to you.
When I hear "he used me" , I think
We all "use" each other... it's about finding "mutually beneficial'
The "he used me" person is just whining because she did not get what she wanted (and sorry, if you fell for the slick salesman, it is because you passed the honest "no bells / smooth lines" one up. It is my opinion that most guys that are "smooth" got that way by lots of practice. I hope never to lose my awkward signs of desire. Want to know where the perfect guy that has everything is? Keep watching the movies.

As for me, sex is the picture of what a person feels is important and how they choose to (or not to) communicate / how "naked" they will allow themselves to be. Some things I will not tolerate... lazy / "I deserve"... / "it's all about me"... sorry, does not matter how "beautiful" / brilliant... NEXT. The moment I feel is being used as some object of value which I must "deserve".... NEXT
Ummmmm.........I think you took my statement the WRONG way. I was being sarcastic. I'm well aware that there are alot of people that won't partake of premarital sex until they're wed. And yes, a few of them are abit older than 35.

If you read any of my earlier posts, I don't believe in just "having sex". I believe in "making love" and that happens when you're married and actually LOVE each other. Not just lusting after each other.


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1Horselady wrote :
Ummmmm.........I think you took my statement the WRONG way. I was being sarcastic. I'm well aware that there are alot of people that won't partake of premarital sex until they're wed. And yes, a few of them are abit older than 35.

If you read any of my earlier posts, I don't believe in just "having sex". I believe in "making love" and that happens when you're married and actually LOVE each other. Not just lusting after each other.


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Realize that... was just using as point of reference... is why I compared it to how many on OKCupid actually say that is how they feel (is one of the questions from "the list"
 
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