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singinggirl is offline singinggirl Post #21  July 27,2011, 7:15pm
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OP, I have found that my attitude regarding this issue has changed considerably as I've gotten older and as I've dated more. I have a Master's degree, as well as several hours toward my Doctorate. I guess if I didn't have kids to feed and clothe, I would have completed my doctorate by now.

When I first started dating after my divorce, I felt that it was really important that I date someone who had a similar level of education. I thought that I wouldn't have anything in common with a man who hadn't finished a degree. Boy, was I wrong!

My bf never attended college at all. He wasn't interested in school when he was a teen or young adult and skated through high school doing the bare minimum. Afterwards, he attended trade school for a year and learned a trade that he was practicing before I finished my first degree. He is an extremely intelligent man who can discuss just about any topic you want. At this point in his life (mid-40s), he regrets his decision not to attend school and is exploring ways to begin his education now for his own satisfaction.

The man I dated before him has an MBA from a highly respected university. He's very nice, but not very well-informed about anything that goes on in the world around him. It made for very difficult conversation.

After 3-1/2 years with my guy, I would encourage you to keep exploring and stretching your comfort zone. You may find someone who is extremely intelligent who either never had the opportunity to go to school or lacked the interest at the right time in his life. You may find someone who simply didn't fit into the academic community well for a variety of reasons. Intelligence and education level may not have anything to do with one another in the real world.
 
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Thanks for all the responses. I was really hoping to hear that it can work out. There is someone I'm interested in communicating with who doesn't have a degree. I like everything else about him and he does seem intelligent... It's just that I've had bad experiences in the past which made me interested in hearing some success stories. Those who shared success stories, thank you for encouraging me.
 
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I've always preferred some level of education beyond high school, but I am OK with an associates degree. Having a degree of some sort shows planning and initiative as well as an acquired skill set that lasts thoughtout your working life if used. I have never subscribed to the idea that having a 4 year degree means you are more intelligent. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to get a 4 year degree. Especially one in the arts, humanities, and liberal arts. Sorry for those I've offended with that. Not saying certain majors are for less intelligent people...it just doesn't require a genius IQ to make it through - above average is adequate.
 
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One of the traits that I seek in a man is intelligence. In fact, I am very turned on by intelligence. The problem I face is that men with "some college" keep contacting me on match. I have a PhD and prefer to date those with at least a bachelor's degree. I have found in the past that those w/o a degree do not stimulate me intellectually. I have been honest with some of those with "some college" who have contacted me, and they will end up convincing me to give them a chance as their education level is not an indication of their intelligence. So far, though, it hasn't worked. In all cases, I have "felt" the lack of education. So, the solution seems to be to only date those with a degree, right? The problem is that I live in a place in which there are many more men w/o degrees than w/ degrees. So, I keep getting contacted by those w/o a degree. My profile does state that "my match" has at least a bachelor's degree, but that doesn't seem to make a difference as far as who contacts me.

Have you dated someone successfully when there was a big difference in education level? I think it may work better if the man is the one who is more educated? Does it work when the woman is more educated???
If you are using eHarmony then you and your match are matched on a similar level of intelligence. Had you read Dr. Warren's discussion on intelligence you would know that he believes that a similar level of intelligence is need to create a good relationship. He further stresses that the operative word is intelligence and not education. You can choose to believe in the system or be prejudiced about a piece of paper.

Some other thoughts is that you should also ask yourself if you would prefer to be in a relationship with a PhD who gets up each morning dreading going to work or someone with a lesser education who greets each new day with enthusiasm for whatever it is he does? You also may want to consider that there are untold numbers of people who have a degree of whatever level and cannot get a job (in their field). I have also known a PhD or few who knew a great deal about a very narrow subject but about everything else were dumber than a stump. My last match to communicate on eHarmony had a PhD and I could not get more than one line answers out of her.
 
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suzyque wrote :
I've always preferred some level of education beyond high school, but I am OK with an associates degree. Having a degree of some sort shows planning and initiative as well as an acquired skill set that lasts thoughtout your working life if used. I have never subscribed to the idea that having a 4 year degree means you are more intelligent. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to get a 4 year degree. Especially one in the arts, humanities, and liberal arts. Sorry for those I've offended with that. Not saying certain majors are for less intelligent people...it just doesn't require a genius IQ to make it through - above average is adequate.
I think you will find that there are a number of different kinds of intelligence both inside and outside the university. There are also different kinds of practical applications of knowledge which we acquire to a greater or lesser extent depending on experience and opportunity.

Something that is always attractive, no matter what a person's intelligence, is empathy. That includes recognizing and appreciating the worth of others.
 
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To me "some college" by its very nature is laughable and one should not state this and be proud of it. It means they dropped out or failed out either one is not very marketable. Sure some have decent excuses but those that actually are proud of "some" college are stating their bad qualities up front. Its kind of like a guy who gets dropped from boot camp as having "some military" or "part of a vet." They would be better off as just saying none. People who sign up for classes and never attend have "some college."
 
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One of the traits that I seek in a man is intelligence. In fact, I am very turned on by intelligence. The problem I face is that men with "some college" keep contacting me on match. I have a PhD and prefer to date those with at least a bachelor's degree. I have found in the past that those w/o a degree do not stimulate me intellectually. I have been honest with some of those with "some college" who have contacted me, and they will end up convincing me to give them a chance as their education level is not an indication of their intelligence. So far, though, it hasn't worked. In all cases, I have "felt" the lack of education. So, the solution seems to be to only date those with a degree, right? The problem is that I live in a place in which there are many more men w/o degrees than w/ degrees. So, I keep getting contacted by those w/o a degree. My profile does state that "my match" has at least a bachelor's degree, but that doesn't seem to make a difference as far as who contacts me.

Have you dated someone successfully when there was a big difference in education level? I think it may work better if the man is the one who is more educated? Does it work when the woman is more educated???

Hey Rules...

This has to be one of the top ten topics on this board. Yes, I think we all agree, education is no guarantee of success, intelligence and so on. Based on what you said and HOW you said it, and you say so little in your profile about yourself, I'm going to take a couple of guesses.

Your area sounds very much like one I lived in about ten or so years ago. Let's agree, there is no right or wrong, and no disrespect to anyone of any type/level of education. Here goes: I'm going to guess that your PhD is in the arts, culture, history or that type of genera. Not in law, chemical engineering or finance. No sweat, I'm a baccalaureate boy myself, BA, yes in the arts. I, like you, enjoy stimulating conversation on multiple topics (Liberal Arts). But, I also know, outside of cocktail parties, or a simple cup of coffee with someone special, on it's face, it's a worthless degree. That is, unless I do something special with it. Contrast this with someone whose has a PhD in law, chemistry, finance and nuanced in a manner targeted to where the action is, believe me, spies are sent out to learn their cell phone numbers. In that town I referenced before, where I attended plenty of cocktail parties (and great conversation) with folks who had PhD's...mostly in communications and education, it was a great joy to be with them, but they were not particularly successful. No crime in that. Yes, money would be a big divider, but it's more than that. It is also a division of idealism/pragmatism.

Let's just try one topic, languages. Now, little Johnny here can be proficient in any language as he starts his journey, say in Junior High. He'll always live in the US, but wants to be able to communicate with more people, understand another culture buuuuut also be successful. I would advice Johnny learn Chinese, Russian or a Middle Eastern languages. Why not Spanish ? Because so many Americans know it or can struggle through it and generally, for World commerce, it will be a language of the masses. In the US and in the arts, Spanish will have some advantages, particularly in opening up the tent to more consumers to whom that is their native language. But, in global business, the languages I mentioned, and to be proficient, fluent and conversational in, are an asset for business or government.

Back to your issue, and I backtracked to make a point. The divide is not really intelligence, but more often I find, with idealism and pragmatism. Although, in my observation, my father would be a classic exception to this. With advanced degrees in the sciences, he chose academia over more lucrative jobs, has a love for the arts and history, very critical of government doing what the private sector should do. In his case, he does blend the two quite nicely, and we need both types of personalities.

You say you are not intellectually stimulated by many of these guys who happened to not have completed college. That is a problem and you will always be hungry for that in any relationship with them. Have you tried to understand their more, 'practical world' ? And, I want to separate those who are industrious, successful, over the more ignorant and lazy. The latter I would find more difficult to deal with.

Given all this, I find this a more critical issue with women than men. It is far more difficult for a woman to 'marry down' in education than a man. And, the statistics to come, are against you. At age 45 and younger, more women than men (of equal ages) are in college or are college educated, the numbers are just as bad if not more lopsided in the highly skilled professions such as law and medicine.
 
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One of the traits that I seek in a man is intelligence. In fact, I am very turned on by intelligence. The problem I face is that men with "some college" keep contacting me on match. I have a PhD and prefer to date those with at least a bachelor's degree. I have found in the past that those w/o a degree do not stimulate me intellectually. I have been honest with some of those with "some college" who have contacted me, and they will end up convincing me to give them a chance as their education level is not an indication of their intelligence. So far, though, it hasn't worked. In all cases, I have "felt" the lack of education. So, the solution seems to be to only date those with a degree, right? The problem is that I live in a place in which there are many more men w/o degrees than w/ degrees. So, I keep getting contacted by those w/o a degree. My profile does state that "my match" has at least a bachelor's degree, but that doesn't seem to make a difference as far as who contacts me.

Have you dated someone successfully when there was a big difference in education level? I think it may work better if the man is the one who is more educated? Does it work when the woman is more educated???
What about people with common sense?
 
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Rules - Like you, I value intelligence in a man. However, I realize that simply having a degree (or several) does not guarantee intelligence, nor does a lack of a degree indicate a lack of intelligence. However, it can be tough to figure out where on the spectrum any one particular man falls.

Last week, I went to a book club meetup group - my first ever such group. It was great getting to chat with a bunch of like-minded people. In the end, I have no idea if any of those people hold a particular college degree - but they were sure nice to talk to because I felt like we were all on the same level. That's more important than just knowing the guy has a particular degree. If I could find that in a guy, I wouldn't care what kind of formal education he had - or didn't have.
 
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One of the traits that I seek in a man is intelligence. ...
Have you dated someone successfully when there was a big difference in education level? I think it may work better if the man is the one who is more educated? Does it work when the woman is more educated???
I understand your plight, but my highest standard is critical thinking. I have met several men who are "highly educated" (attended prestigious and expensive private US universities) but have no skills/interest/curiosity to seek information beyond mainstream media to shape their own thinking. Very unattractive...
 
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