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FairOne is offline FairOne Post #41  May 6,2011, 1:21pm
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I usually read the whole thread before I comment, but I didn't this time around ....

I don't usually use this phrase, as it's kind of a cliche, but ---

I do, in fact, think that, most of the time, when someone rejects me, it is "her loss."

I think that I would be a great match for someone, and the fact that every woman I have ever been even slightly interested in has rejected me, I think is a great display of poor taste on their parts

And, yes, I do take rejection personally and I am frustrated by it, and it probably is, a coping mechanism, and I do think that, in many cases, someone is "wrong" to reject me. And I hate dating. (And I probably missed a couple of these ).

If someone writes in their profile, or in their list of MHCS, I want someone who is---a list of things---and I am every single thing on that list of things ....

And we go on one, maybe two dates, and suddenly she ignores me when I call or says "no chemistry."

Yeah. I take it personally.

It means that she makes a decision that even though "I am everything on her list"---I am such an inferior male specimen that she cannot imagine a world in which we would ever develop enough chemistry that she would want to kiss me or touch me, let alone have sex with me. Putting it pretty bluntly here---but the point is, how exactly are you not supposed to take that personally?

"You don't seem like such a bad guy, and if you were a dentist, I'd be happy to let you work on my teeth, but .... as man, as a member of the opposite sex and in terms of how you appeal to the opposite sex, which is probably the most important thing in the world to you --- you are boring, no fun, and not sexy enough."

But don't take it personally.

What exactly is it about rejection which isn't personal?

If I would say "their loss," I would say it, and believe it---literally, she was ultimately foolish to reject me.

There are a few people, who I thought were wise to reject me---like I was getting a feeling maybe she liked to drink or party more than I did, and it wouldn't work out, but I wasn't sure. That's reasonable enough. Or she was really into sports, and I'm not. But most of the time there isn't any particular reason.

It seems the OP is saying, "if they reject you, that means it could have never worked out because of some incompatibility"--- but most of the women I have dated have been people who described looking for someone "just like me" and made the decision to reject me based on relatively little information and/or experience being around me, to even be able to tell if there was any such overriding incompatibility.

I think it's foolish to say you want any number of very specific things in a partner (some of which are somewhat rare), and then find someone with those things, and reject that person "out-of-hand."

So whose loss is it? It's both of ours, I suppose. We both say we want a relationship, and have an opportunity to forge one, out of a limited number of opportunities to do so, and didn't, probably for some trivial reason or assumption or misinterpretation.

Certainly, sometimes it isn't "their loss," and they have made a correct assessment about compatibility.

But to say, essentially, "sometimes people say 'it's their loss,' but that's not always true, sometimes both people in that case are better off apart, and it's no one's loss--so therefore it's never true ..." -- is not something with which I agree ...
Even though we come to different conclusions, I enjoyed reading your post!

One point I'd like to make, sometimes people do not know what they want as clearly as they think they do OR they misstate what they claim to want because it 'sounds good'. They may make out lists of traits that they like, but ultimately those things are not the most important things to them. Other unstated items weigh more heavily. So it appears that they are losing everything they really wanted by choosing not to date someone that meets their stated requirements, but they're really not.
I know it sounds crazy to some people to say that rejection isn't personal, but I really do believe that. A 'no' to a second date is not equivalent to saying 'you aren't man enough for me'. At least not to my way of thinking
 
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I do take rejection personally because they are personally rejecting me. It's great if you don't take it personally, a trait I wish I had more of, but it is, if fact, personal and I take it as such. (I just don't go into a bout of depression over it.)

For the record, I have only used the phase "their loss" once in my life and to this day I stand by the fact that I think the guy in question made a big mistake with both of our lives.

Maybe I should start using the phase "My Gain." Because if someone lists traits they want and don't really mean it because they don't know what they want - then yay for me missing that bullet. I want someone who knows what they want out of life. If someone is going to be so judgmental as to dismiss me after 5 minutes, then again - yay for me missing that bullet. I don't want someone who is that judgmental and dismissive.

However, I do view the statement of "their loss" more as "Oh, so that person is deciding to forgo or miss an opportunity that has arose in their life."

Let's step back as second and remove the romantic relationship element. Let's replace it with friendship instead. Say you are at a friend's party and your friend introduces you to one of their friends. The person they introduced you to takes one look at your and says, "I don't want to talk to you and I don't want to be your friend." I would shrug and reply, "Your Loss". Why? Because that person make a decision to not be my friend and potential lost the opportunity for a new amazing friendship. The same can be said/applied to trying new activities, new food, or anything. If an opportunity arises and someone declines, I often say, "Your Loss." It doesn't mean you have to like what you tried, but maybe you really would have loved it.

So, what does this all mean to me? That when someone rejects me out of hand, I am inclined to think - "Their loss and my loss". Why? Because they made a decision which is leading to a missed opportunity in life. An opportunity for a potentially great relationship. It is the potential and the opportunity that is lost. If you give a person a shot, and you know it isn't going to work out - fine. It's when you reject without giving someone a chance - that is when I'm inclined to say, "Our loss."
 
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This phrase is one of my pet peeves, actually; it goes along with the sense of entitlement that is so rampant today. When I hear or see women (or men)consoling one other with phrases like 'his loss' and 'he didn't deserve you anyway' I want to bang my head on the computer. Just because someone doesn't choose me doesn't mean he is a bad person, or a loser, or doesn't deserve a good woman - he just didn't choose ME.
And it does, occasionally, hurt, if I have become invested in the situation. And I can be disappointed, or confused - but that doesn't mean he is an idiot for not seeing my amazing charms! It means HE DIDN'T CHOSE ME. That's all.
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jimmyh452 wrote :
I, do, in fact, think that, you, might just, go a, little heavy on, the commas.

hahah just kidding.
I was an English major.

It's too bad, because it's well-known that commas are major turn-offs.

(Also---hyphens, dashes, and parenthetical phrases.)
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