LizziePooh is offline LizziePooh Post #111  January 7,2010, 7:52pm

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There's no such thing as a genuinely nice person, unless they have some sort of mental handicap. People are not naturally nice. All earthly animals are selfish by nature. This includes humans.

We have to be taught at an early age to share and be nice to others. We are "taught" it because it does not come naturally. We don't have to be taught to be selfish and mean. Why? Because it comes natural to us. Niceness is a learned behavior. Manners is a learned behavior. We have to make laws to prevent us from killing each other. We have to constantly remind our children to play nice. There really is no naturally nice person. There are people who are more good than others and there are people who have been molded well by their parents. I suppose you could consider these people to be "nice", but they weren't born that way. In times of famine, the most dangerous, vicious, and violent people are children who live on their own or in packs of children. This has been documented. Without adults to rear them, these children act in a human's natural state. No one was around to teach them to share. No one taught them to be "nice". They are selfish and only care about their own survival.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being selfish. Selfishness is what helps any animal to survive. In a way, being a "nice guy" or a "good man" is selfish itself. People are nice for all sorts of reasons, mostly because it makes them feel good to be nice. No one is nice just to be nice. There's always something in it for them, even if it's just good feelings for doing a good deed.

So I don't believe all this nice guy/bad guy nonsense. Being a nice guy is just as much playing a game as being a "playa".

Am I a good guy or a bad guy? I never beat my wife, I bought her flowers for special occasions, I opened doors for her almost always, etc. However, I did those things because I knew she'd like them. Don't get me wrong, I genuinely loved my wife. However, life was a lot easier when she was happy with me than when she was mad at me. I think most guys can relate. There's not a male alive who does nice things for his wife just to be nice. There's a wide variety of reasons for doing, some of which I mentioned. It could be to feel good about himself, it could be get her on his good side, it could be the satisfaction of knowing he did something nice, etc etc etc. There is no unselfish good deed. It doesn't exist.

With all that said, there are men who are genuinely less "bad" than other men. I suppose you could call these men "good guys". Are they less bad because they were raised that way, because they think women will like it, because being good keeps their family together better, because mother nature has made it instinct to keep their family happy so see he can procreate further with his wife to further distribute his seed, or are there men that are genuinely naturally nice who receive absolutely no reward whatsoever for being a "nice guy"?
I think this is interesting take on the "nice" guy theory. Not sure if it fits for the nice guy finish last excuse.

I agree with what you said that people are basically selfish - I think that is true - I don't think humans are naturally good.

It was nice to read a completely different take on something so overdone around here. I enjoyed it.
 
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Joker1 is offline Joker1 Post #112  January 8,2010, 2:06pm

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If I could I would give you a hug. You have a good heart


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Empathy in my heart, yes.

But the hugs are in my arms
 
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pinklady89 is offline pinklady89 Post #113  January 8,2010, 9:02pm
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I agree with coldfusion. Its the "nice guy" who has no backbone that turn me off.
 
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marlapowers is offline marlapowers Post #114  January 9,2010, 4:14pm
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Hello...I think nice guys are great and so do my friends. Is there something missing from this picture?
 
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SleeplessInOhio is offline SleeplessInOhio Post #115  January 9,2010, 7:34pm
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I hate that stigma about nice guys finishing last. It's so untrue. Silver medalists maybe but not last. haha

I consider my self a nice guy but I certainly don't finish last. I stand up for myself though. If you're a nice guy you just need to be a guy sometimes. If you see bad boy Joe going after the girl you like don't stand by and let him. Fight for her in whatever way best suits you. Be nice but show you're mentally tough and can handle situations.

Confidence is key. You don't need to be bad. Bad boys might seem to get the girl right now but nice guys get a better paycheck and the girl later.
 
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SavedGirl is offline SavedGirl Post #116  January 10,2010, 8:56pm
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Why does it seem nice guys seem to get involved with women that are not so nice? Sometimes I can't believe how some women don't appreciate their nice guy.
 
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PY_2 is offline PY_2 Post #117  January 10,2010, 9:37pm

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marlapowers wrote :
Hello...I think nice guys are great and so do my friends. Is there something missing from this picture?
Nothing is wrong with this picture...but I suggest as a newbie you turn your head away before you read 1307 pages of people arguing on what's considered a 'nice' guy', etc..etc....

Drink anything that could wipe your memory before you sleep after visiting the board, you should be fine the next day!

Welcome to the boards and have fun!
 
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TrekRyder10 is offline TrekRyder10 Post #118  January 10,2010, 9:49pm
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My ex-wife cheated on me with a so called "nice guy" Turned out he wasn't so nice when he went to discipline my son! So never judge a book by it's cover
 
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