When to tell my eHarmony matches about my cross-dressing?


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Chris_Angel is offline Chris_Angel Post #1  October 19,2010, 10:08am
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I am a straight male who is into cross-dressing from time to time. Yes it is part of who I am, but it doens't totally define me. However, it is something I would like to be open about and share with my partner. Question is: when do I tell her?
I've been struggling with this question recently. My experience with it tells me that the majority of women are against it in their own intimate relationships with men. My ex-wife of 10 years told me that it was enough of a turnoff that she didnt want to sex with me anymore. More recently, I dated a woman for 3 weeks before telling her and everything was going great till I told her. And then she ended it because she didnt want to deal with her fear of seeing me that way. So over the past couple of weeks, I updated my profile to say that I have a "kinky" side to me and need a partner who is "open-minded that way." The result was that I got a lot of matches who went through the guided communication process with me, right up until the open-communication. At that point I tastefully mentioned my cross-dressing and welcomed any questions they had. In all cases, I did not receive a response to my emails and all the matches were CLOSED with no explanation. I'm sure most were turned off by the idea and wanted nothing to do with it or me.
So now I am baffled and frustrated. I thought being upfront and honest about it would be the appropriate and fair thing to do, especially since my potential partners would be directly affected by this. And I also thought that my honesty and integrity would be appreciated. Now I am not sure what to do. Do I say it upfront or should I keep it a secret until a stable relationship is established and then reveal it?
I've asked friends and some say I should hide it until "she is hooked" and others who say that I should say it upfront to save the headaches down the road.
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chimerical is offline chimerical Post #2  October 19,2010, 10:18am
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I've given you advice on this before, I know, but I just want to reiterate: Dating is about putting your best foot forward. You do not need to share sexual kinks on a first date, or in the open-communication stage. I think this strategy is unlikely to net you any success. But especially on a more-conservative site, like eHarmony.
 
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I think you should just show up for a date and surprise her. Either she's into it or she's not. Let us know how it goes.
 
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First.....you are not really being up front and honest when you say something along the lines of "I'm a little kinky" in your profile. That could mean a million different things. So the matches give you the benefit of the doubt and proceed, but really they are just waiting for an opportunity to ask you about it. Once the real truth is on the table, of course they'll be making the decision whether to continue or not. Why are you upset by that? You should be expecting it and you do seem to realize that this is not appealing to most women.

As to some of your friends telling you that you should hide until she is hooked - that's the worst advice on the face of this planet. You already tried and where did that get you? You are alone - that's where. Why would you want to waste your time and hers when something like this stands to be a major deal breaker. There is something else to consider too - she may be fine with it, but may dump you because you were manipulating and deceiving her - an even more bitter pill to swallow.

You have to be realistic with yourself. Your interest certainly limits your dating pool. Disclosure will cause many women to run away - totally to be expected. However, remember something important - you are trying to find a woman who would not be put off by that. They are out there, but it will take patience to find them.

Also, I'd suggest looking at joining dating sites that cater more to alternative lifestyles rather than mainstream. You are much more likely to find someone who would be into the idea there.
 
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As to some of your friends telling you that you should hide until she is hooked - that's the worst advice on the face of this planet. You already tried and where did that get you? You are alone - that's where. Why would you want to waste your time and hers when something like this stands to be a major deal breaker. There is something else to consider too - she may be fine with it, but may dump you because you were manipulating and deceiving her - an even more bitter pill to swallow.
I disagree. There are many things you don't disclose on a first date or in OC that could cause your date to run for the hills. And it's good advice to tell people to not "let it all hang out" on the first few dates. The point of a date isn't full disclosure; the point of a date is to make enough of a good impression that you can get a second date.

I think cross-dressing is something that women will put up with if they know a guy and like him a lot, and want to stay together, but will not put up with if it's mentioned on a profile. It's true that this was not the case for his ex. That doesn't mean it's not the case for other women.

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Also, I'd suggest looking at joining dating sites that cater more to alternative lifestyles rather than mainstream. You are much more likely to find someone who would be into the idea there.
I suggested this to him already, too. If he insists on telling people upfront, alternative sites are the best option.
 
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Cross dressing is NOT something you disclose on a first date.

There are also different forms in this...is it wearing a full outsit or just womens panties?

How frequently do you dress?

I am curious from your marriage....how long into it did you disclose this?

The issue here goes backto your wife...why did she ned it what was the reason...was the crossing the only reason for the marriage ending?

cross-dressing tends to say to many that you are still in the closet....to be honest your best option would be someone who is openly bi or had such a relationship in the past.
 
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DancingFool wrote :
First.....you are not really being up front and honest when you say something along the lines of "I'm a little kinky" in your profile. That could mean a million different things. So the matches give you the benefit of the doubt and proceed, but really they are just waiting for an opportunity to ask you about it. Once the real truth is on the table, of course they'll be making the decision whether to continue or not. Why are you upset by that? You should be expecting it and you do seem to realize that this is not appealing to most women.

As to some of your friends telling you that you should hide until she is hooked - that's the worst advice on the face of this planet. You already tried and where did that get you? You are alone - that's where. Why would you want to waste your time and hers when something like this stands to be a major deal breaker. There is something else to consider too - she may be fine with it, but may dump you because you were manipulating and deceiving her - an even more bitter pill to swallow.

You have to be realistic with yourself. Your interest certainly limits your dating pool. Disclosure will cause many women to run away - totally to be expected. However, remember something important - you are trying to find a woman who would not be put off by that. They are out there, but it will take patience to find them.

Also, I'd suggest looking at joining dating sites that cater more to alternative lifestyles rather than mainstream. You are much more likely to find someone who would be into the idea there.
I absolutely agree with the statement in red. I don't think it is a first date disclosure, as so many first dates do not lead to a second. However, ANY piece of information - health, sexuality, work or family issues - anything that could have a significant impact on a potential partner's decision to preceed, should be disclosed ASAP.
Don't risk letting someone develop affection or attachment and then make an announcement that you know could have negative impact. This is when hurt and resentment set in. Do it early, before there is any entanglement.
 
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ami1uwant wrote :
How frequently do you dress?
This is a good question. (Not one you necessarily need to answer here, of course.) But that is something else to address with a partner whenever you happen to bring it up. She's going to wonder if it's going to be an everyday thing, a once a week thing, once a month, etc. If she's accepting of it, you need to remember to be accepting of a compromise (ratio of dressed to un-dressed time).

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cross-dressing tends to say to many that you are still in the closet....
Oh, and I forgot all about that! Yes, a lot of people will assume (no matter what you say) that cross-dressing is a sign that you're "secretly gay." So you may be scaring off potential partners who don't know much about it and think you don't actually like women (sexually-speaking).

Oh, and not to push Dan Savage overly much, but this is what he has to say about finding people who enjoy your kink: YouTube - Dan Savage on Finding Others Who Are Into Your Kink

Yours is kind of a cross between the two examples, so it's not clear-cut what his advice to you would be... but it should give you something to think about, anyway!
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I absolutely agree with the statement in red. I don't think it is a first date disclosure, as so many first dates do not lead to a second. However, ANY piece of information - health, sexuality, work or family issues - anything that could have a significant impact on a potential partner's decision to preceed, should be disclosed ASAP.
Don't risk letting someone develop affection or attachment and then make an announcement that you know could have negative impact. This is when hurt and resentment set in. Do it early, before there is any entanglement.
The difference between health, work, and family issues and sexuality issues, in my opinion, is that accepting different sexuality is just about having an open mind, whereas health, work, and family issues have a "real," concrete impact on your life. You can pry someone's mind open a little wider by having a loved one admit to or ask for eccentricity. You can't, on the other hand, erase the concrete impact of your job/kids/health.

It's like the people who can't accept gay people until their own son comes out. A lot of people will do a 180 (reluctantly or more willingly) for someone they're truly invested in. It's tough, but it can be done.

That's why I don't think he ought to disclose right off the bat.
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chimerical wrote :
I disagree. There are many things you don't disclose on a first date or in OC that could cause your date to run for the hills. And it's good advice to tell people to not "let it all hang out" on the first few dates. The point of a date isn't full disclosure; the point of a date is to make enough of a good impression that you can get a second date.

I think cross-dressing is something that women will put up with if they know a guy and like him a lot, and want to stay together, but will not put up with if it's mentioned on a profile. It's true that this was not the case for his ex. That doesn't mean it's not the case for other women.



I suggested this to him already, too. If he insists on telling people upfront, alternative sites are the best option.
Wasn't clear in my post. What the OP currently has in his profile is simply vague. What I'm getting at is that he should not be upset that once they know what he means, they choose to walk away.

As to your suggestion that women will put up with it if they fall for him. There are some things in life that people will consider to be an absolute deal breaker and no amount of "I like him" will change their mind. Love can quickly turn to hate and disgust on delayed disclosure when it comes to absolute deal breakers. Alternative lifestyles for most people will qualify as an absolute deal breaker.

How do you approach it? I don't think there is a black and white answer to this. A lot depends on how much the OP is involved in this really. Is this only a kinky privacy of the bedroom once in awhile deal? I which case, I'd say wait to disclose until you know you both actually want to date each other. Or is this the whole nine yards of public drag queen shows and all deal - disclose sooner, because that's already a lifestyle and if I read the OP right, not something he can compromise.

Ultimately, still think he needs to give alternative lifestyle sites a shot. It's so much healthier to have a partner who supports or even enjoys your habits than one who barely tolerates it with all the uncertainty of at what point will they snap.
 
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