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Mr79percent is offline Mr79percent Post #1  June 30,2010, 10:36am
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I've treated a lot of women to free dinners over the years--some romantically, most just as friends... and some more than once. Call it the way I was raised--as a southern gentleman. The girls I dated growing up never ever tried to go dutch. I'm not rich but not poor. Besides, I'm the one who asked. Imagine my shock when I read on these boards that I was entitled to sex afterwards!

So my question is this--how do I call in these past favors so late after the fact? If they live in a different city or moved away, can nudie pictures be accepted lieu of the physical act? Dirty talking on the phone? Is there a statute of limitations? Help me, I've been taken advantage by selfish women of all these years!

Okay, not really. But seeing that the recent thread on dinner has exceeded 72 pages is really depressing. It's annoying to me to think that men actually expect "dessert" just because they plopped down a credit card. It's equally depressing to me that women have become paranoid about the process, resulting in a lot of awkwardness when the check arrives. So my real question is to the women--on a percentage basis, how common are the men you feel have the mindset "I pay, you must play"?
 
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If any man gave me the "I paid, now you play" vibe he might just get socked. So, nowadays, not very common.

Only in my younger days did I ever get this feeling from a guy. Can't remember any specifics. But, I know it happened more often than it does now. Still not very common tho.
 
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I have never met a man who expected anything but my company in return for dinner. I don't doubt that these men do exist but not in the numbers the board seems to present.

I sometimes wonder if this comes down to a question I asked but was ignored a while back, I will reword so it is relevant. If I go out to dinner with a man and have sex with him afterwards, not because of the dinner but because I wanted to have sex with him, does that change the outcome in one's mind. In other words is that different than if I had sex with him cause the dinner was so great. Same dinner, same guy, same bed, same lumpy pillow, different attitude?

Not sure if that makes sense but it seems to me these ideas of being used are less about being used but being disappointed in your own decisions.
 
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I think that some of the raging debates on these boards should be treated as nothing more than entertainment.

In all the dates I've ever gone on, I've never encountered the kind of bitterness and angst and score keeping as I have seen on these boards. In my personal experience, the only thing a guy expects in return for pulling out the credit card is a simple thank you. Also, quite contrary to what seems to be the prevailing attitude here, my dating experience has been that many men will feel either slighted or downright insulted if a woman attempts to reject his offer to pay for the meal.
 
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Mr79percent wrote :
I've treated a lot of women to free dinners over the years--some romantically, most just as friends... and some more than once. Call it the way I was raised--as a southern gentleman. The girls I dated growing up never ever tried to go dutch. I'm not rich but not poor. Besides, I'm the one who asked. Imagine my shock when I read on these boards that I was entitled to sex afterwards!

So my question is this--how do I call in these past favors so late after the fact? If they live in a different city or moved away, can nudie pictures be accepted lieu of the physical act? Dirty talking on the phone? Is there a statute of limitations? Help me, I've been taken advantage by selfish women of all these years!

Okay, not really. But seeing that the recent thread on dinner has exceeded 72 pages is really depressing. It's annoying to me to think that men actually expect "dessert" just because they plopped down a credit card. It's equally depressing to me that women have become paranoid about the process, resulting in a lot of awkwardness when the check arrives. So my real question is to the women--on a percentage basis, how common are the men you feel have the mindset "I pay, you must play"?
I do the same thing for guys. Should I be demanding something in return?

I think it's a sad state of affairs when everyone is more concerned with not being taken advantage of than they are with just being who they are. Because here's the thing...people are either of generous nature or they are not. I'd rather have someone show me up front that they are not than buy me a couple of dinners and then reveal their inner (and usually emotional) Scrooginess.

As for expecting something in return - no, not much these days. But I'm one of those who always offers to pay my share. I don't make an issue of it...if a man wants to treat me to dinner, I accept graciously and treat it as what it is, a considerate gesture. But if a man pays for dinner and mistakenly assumes he's actually bargained for something else - well, that's his shame, not mine.
 
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I've never had an entitlement issue. Most of the men I date are very classy about how they handle the 'payment process', I did have one guy recently tell me that he was expecting 'dinner and a little luvin,' but quite frankly he was full of himself - pictures posted had to be at least 15 years old, and at a time when he was more active. Needless to say 'dinner and luvin' didn't happen - crass has never been particularly appealing to me.
 
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Should I be demanding something in return?
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DancingFool wrote :
I think that some of the raging debates on these boards should be treated as nothing more than entertainment.

In all the dates I've ever gone on, I've never encountered the kind of bitterness and angst and score keeping as I have seen on these boards. In my personal experience, the only thing a guy expects in return for pulling out the credit card is a simple thank you. Also, quite contrary to what seems to be the prevailing attitude here, my dating experience has been that many men will feel either slighted or downright insulted if a woman attempts to reject his offer to pay for the meal.
that's been my experience as well.
 
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I've dated A LOT over the last several months, and I am of the general traditional belief that the guy pays for the date. Not once was there an attitude of expectation of anything but a thank you. Not once. Also, not once was there an expectation that I split the bill... not once.

I can say that the men represented on this board, who appear to be bitter, hostile, or just mistrusting, are not a representation of the men I have encountered. I go into any date just being myself... I share my values and who I am up front, and expect the guy to do the same. That is an indication of whether we should even meet in the first place. I don't need a free meal... most of my dates aren't even over meals... it takes a very special level of communication for me to even agree to go on a dinner or lunch date for a first date. The point of a date is to get to know someone better, see if there is chemistry and something special there that you want to continue getting to know. I'm not sure what kind of women these other guys have been dating, but I sure do hope the "will date for food" or "will buy dinner for sex" attitude is just a misguided perception that is not based on true reality.
 
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