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Marc640 is offline Marc640 Post #1  May 17,2010, 8:20am
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So, just a bit of introduction before I get into the actual topic.

Browsing my e-mails today, I saw a thread about grammar and dating, and after reading it, decided this board is rather interesting, and so thought I'd be a part of it - at least for a while. I am Marc, and blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, onto books! I am a big believer that what a person reads is a great indication of who they are, and whether they are fit to be with you. Two prime examples:

1) I was on a plane a few months ago, and started having a conversation with a woman who was very conventionally attractive, and through the flight, there were a lot of glances exchanged and what not - that is, until she put her book down to go to the bathroom, and I glanced at it, and saw that she was reading "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell."

I simply could not deal with that, so the glances stopped and I decided to just go to sleep instead. Lost opportunity because of bad book for her.

2) Just on Saturday, I met a random woman at a bar who was also very physically attractive and could almost carry on a flowing conversation. When asked what her favorite book was, though, she said "Anything by Nicholas Sparks."

I made a face, and turned and walked the other way.

To some, this might seem almost unreasonable, but I think books are a big indicator of a person's intellect and where they wish to go, or where they are, in life.

What are your experiences and thoughts, and what's on your bookshelf/carry-on bags and such?

Mine: "Half the Sky, Turning Oppression Into Opportunity for Women Worldwide"; "True Compass: a biography of Ted Kennedy"; "The Macho Paradox"; and an old book, political non-fiction called "There Are no Children Here."
 
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"Rembrandt's Eyes", "Blindness", "The Shadow of The Wind", "The Angel's Game", "Random acts of Heroic Love" and...................................
"You know you love it" - but that's a different kettle of fish.
 
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Marc640 wrote :
To some, this might seem almost unreasonable, but I think books are a big indicator of a person's intellect and where they wish to go, or where they are, in life.

What are your experiences and thoughts, and what's on your bookshelf/carry-on bags and such?
I think your logic isn't correct.

I consider myself a person of intellect and I believe the University of London would also for granting my PhD, but I read unintelligent junk when I actually do read ... which is rarely because I prefer TV. I read enough scientific material for work so in my down time, I try to relax my brain, not stimulate it. You would not guess that I am a very driven person who spends a lot of time in thought over something intellectual if I am on the plane reading the latest issue of Vogue, would you? You wouldn't see the copies of scientific literature I also have in my bag if I am too tired to read work-related papers on the flight.

As far as taste goes (for the face you made about the woman's book choice) -- I have never dated someone who shared all the same interests I do. That makes things more interesting and expands my horizons. Enjoyment of some hobbies, especially reading, to me is often an individual endeavor anyway. Your distaste for someone's reading material is like mine for boxing. I wouldn't discount someone as a partner because he enjoyed watching boxing -- I just would do my own thing when a match is on.

I think you should use a person's reading material as only one criterion to assess a potential partner -- not the sole thing upon which to dismiss her. It sounds like you are being a book snob. Those are my thoughts.
 
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MelinCali wrote :
I think your logic isn't correct.

I consider myself a person of intellect and I believe the University of London would also for granting my PhD, but I read unintelligent junk when I actually do read ... which is rarely because I prefer TV. I read enough scientific material for work so in my down time, I try to relax my brain, not stimulate it. You would not guess that I am a very driven person who spends a lot of time in thought over something intellectual if I am on the plane reading the latest issue of Vogue, would you? You wouldn't see the copies of scientific literature I also have in my bag if I am too tired to read work-related papers on the flight.

As far as taste goes (for the face you made about the woman's book choice) -- I have never dated someone who shared all the same interests I do. That makes things more interesting and expands my horizons. Enjoyment of some hobbies, especially reading, to me is often an individual endeavor anyway. Your distaste for someone's reading material is like mine for boxing. I wouldn't discount someone as a partner because he enjoyed watching boxing -- I just would do my own thing when a match is on.

I think you should use a person's reading material as only one criterion to assess a potential partner -- not the sole thing upon which to dismiss her. It sounds like you are being a book snob. Those are my thoughts.
I think there as an aspect of my post that was misunderstood - while it is perfectly okay to have "cake time" in reading materials, but a person enjoys reading for pleasure can say a lot about that person's values and outlooks. A person reading "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell," surely is one who hasn't taken the time to deconstruct gender and cultures of objectification of women and misogyny. A person who prefers Nicholas Sparks over other fictional pleasurable reading shows that she (or he) is the hopelessly romantic type, who is likely to buy into romantic ideals, and "true love" and all the lovey-dovey crap that movies portray, rather than a serious, mature relationship that's more about learning and teaching, and about sharing a common purpose in life.

In short, I think people's reading materials speak a lot about their values. I would just as likely write of a person, no matter how much I was attracted to her, if she were reading Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck.
 
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I'm pretty certain if her favorite book is "He's just not into you" that would be almost enough to stop me in my tracks.

(personal experience).
 
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Marc640 wrote :

Anyway, onto books! I am a big believer that what a person reads is a great indication of who they are, and whether they are fit to be with you. Two prime examples:

1) I was on a plane a few months ago, and started having a conversation with a woman who was very conventionally attractive, and through the flight, there were a lot of glances exchanged and what not - that is, until she put her book down to go to the bathroom, and I glanced at it, and saw that she was reading "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell."

I simply could not deal with that, so the glances stopped and I decided to just go to sleep instead. Lost opportunity because of bad book for her.

2) Just on Saturday, I met a random woman at a bar who was also very physically attractive and could almost carry on a flowing conversation. When asked what her favorite book was, though, she said "Anything by Nicholas Sparks."

I made a face, and turned and walked the other way.

To some, this might seem almost unreasonable, but I think books are a big indicator of a person's intellect and where they wish to go, or where they are, in life.
My first thought is that you come across as being a snob...a book snob, but a snob nonetheless.

Would you in turn want to be entirely judged by one fact of your life, based upon an encounter that may last all of two seconds, like a single glance, or one remark..the outfit they wore that particular day...the car they drove?
Would you??

If that's your wish, so be it.

But making snap judgments about who someone really is just by glancing over at the book they happen to be reading....at that moment in time, is, IMO, not only grossly unfair...it's ridiculous.
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I read all kinds of books... from business books, to self improvement books, to... well... what you would probably consider trashy books. Just depends on what you would happen to catch me reading at the time. I think it would be extremely difficult to judge anything definitive about me, my personality, or intellect based on a two second glance at what book I just so happened to have brought on the plane with me...

if you are only interested in women who 100% of the time read things that are on your approval list, then you might be narrowing your field of choice too greatly. This might be fine, but I think it may make it extremely difficult for you.

Not to mention... for instance, what if you caught me on one of my days where I just so happened to be reading something you approve of... we date, go out, you like me... then you catch me at another time reading something that you don't approve of... do I just get dismissed !

Just something to think about.
 
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Marc640 wrote :
Anyway, onto books! I am a big believer that what a person reads is a great indication of who they are, and whether they are fit to be with you. Two prime examples:

1) I was on a plane a few months ago, and started having a conversation with a woman who was very conventionally attractive, and through the flight, there were a lot of glances exchanged and what not - that is, until she put her book down to go to the bathroom, and I glanced at it, and saw that she was reading "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell."

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Sounds interesting. Did you ask what it was about?
Years ago. I drove my two children to school. My son was running late and I told him to brush his teeth in the car. He did and was spitting out the window as we drove. I imagined what looked like a bird had done all down the side of my car. My youngest was in the back seat picking and flicking her nose out the same window on my just cleaned car. As my eyes rolled back into my head and knowing kids will be kids. I came up with the title of a book. BMW's, boogers and toothpaste. The truth about raising kids.
Your interests will hopefully expand in books also. Dont judge so harshly.
 
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Some people read books imposed upon them by their book groups, too.

I am, by profession, an editor and a writer. I try not to judge a reader by the cover in their hands.
 
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MelinCali wrote :
I think your logic isn't correct.

I consider myself a person of intellect and I believe the University of London would also for granting my PhD, but I read unintelligent junk when I actually do read ... which is rarely because I prefer TV. I read enough scientific material for work so in my down time, I try to relax my brain, not stimulate it. You would not guess that I am a very driven person who spends a lot of time in thought over something intellectual if I am on the plane reading the latest issue of Vogue, would you? You wouldn't see the copies of scientific literature I also have in my bag if I am too tired to read work-related papers on the flight.

As far as taste goes (for the face you made about the woman's book choice) -- I have never dated someone who shared all the same interests I do. That makes things more interesting and expands my horizons. Enjoyment of some hobbies, especially reading, to me is often an individual endeavor anyway. Your distaste for someone's reading material is like mine for boxing. I wouldn't discount someone as a partner because he enjoyed watching boxing -- I just would do my own thing when a match is on.

I think you should use a person's reading material as only one criterion to assess a potential partner -- not the sole thing upon which to dismiss her. It sounds like you are being a book snob. Those are my thoughts.
Well stated.

I have a masters and a Juris Doctorate. I find myself wrapped up in the intellectual world of business all day every day. When I have a change to read for enjoyment I prefer mindless entertainment. It's just my opinion but I think your putting far to much emphasis on one minor personality characteristic.
 
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