beatlejuice72 is offline beatlejuice72 Post #1  May 1,2010, 9:43pm

I'm a man's man, but I like women a whole lot more!

Unregistered

Joined: Mar 2008

Goose Creek, SC

Posts: 1,201

See profile

Believe it or not, there are some people out there like myself who are single and not in a relationship because we simply haven't found the right person yet. Just because you're a good person with some good qualities doesn't buy you a ticket into a long-term relationship. Invariably, when I am out on a date with someone or corresponding with them I am asked the infamous question, "So, how come a nice guy like you doesn't have anybody?" It's different for women because most men ask out women on dates, not the other way around. Yet haven't we seen very attractive women who have great personalities, senses of humor, etc. who are single and unattached? Sometimes the first thought that comes to mind is, "What's wrong with her?" And I'm sure the same thing has been asked of guys like myself. Well, sometimes it's just the fact that there are people like myself who simply aren't willing to settle. And that is why I am currently single. The situation would probably be different if the woman that I was dating back in January would have reciprocated my feelings for pursuit of an LDR. She didn't. That was not my choice. It happens.

I would love nothing more than to find a connection with a woman who turns me on emotionally, romantically, sexually, intellectually and spiritually. It's hard to put into words just precisely what we're looking for sometimes. Even more difficult to pinpoint is WHO we are looking for. Family and friends, God love them, they love to help with such friendly advice as "I know she's out there for you. She could be anywhere." Right. eHarmony.com, Match.com, a coffee shop, the Japanese restaurant I like to go to, or even the eH Advice board.

Dating is easy. It's relationships that are hard...as they should be. If relationships were easy, everybody would be doing it. If sex was easy, everybody would be DOING IT. Let's face it, most of us like a challenge. And that's why many of us are ostensibly here whether we want to admit it or not. We face challenges in our love life or relationships and we're searching for answers, advice, anything that can help us to overcome these challenges.

There are some women out there who will date a good man and go out with him on a few dates and have great times with him, but they don't feel worthy of him or his love. They feel overwhelmed by his generosity. He finds out that she is a huge Drew Barrymore fan and for her birthday he surprises her by giving her an 8x10 color autographed picture of Drew's that he got from Flower Films, Drew's production company. He didn't do this to get her into bed with him. He did this because he really likes her and knows how much it would make her happy. And yet even when she gives him a hug and tells her it makes her "beyond happy" she still rejects him in the end. Why? Because he is "too good to be true."

Whenever I listen to someone say that someone is "too good to be true" I think that says more about the person saying it than the person they believe is too good to be true. If only people were this skeptical of politicians instead of re-electing them into office. Yet when it comes to dating, you get more raised eyebrows than at a Groucho Marx convention.

It sometimes feel like one has to almost apologize for being a good person and that's what I resent. Anytime you have to preface your remarks by saying "I'll be the first one to admit I'm not perfect, far from it..." it feels sad because the good guys aren't the ones who should be apologizing. It's the jerks like the men who won't get up on a bus for a lady, who cheat on their girlfriends and wives, who abuse their girlfriends, wives and children, who don't pay child support, who say they don't have money to buy a woman a ring yet they will use their tax refund on a new gun, who play Farmville instead of paying attention to their child, who embarrass their girlfriends and wives in public. THOSE are the guys who ought to be apologizing to women.

Unfortunately, perception is reality for many women. Whatever their past experiences have been with men or their current perceptions, that is what they believe. Nothing is more frustrating to me than to see a woman in a relationship with someone when it's as plain as day that they aren't compatible. You can just see that she ignored the "red flags" and instead chose for the "white flag" and surrendered her independence and self-esteem in exchange for not being alone. Some people will choose to stay in a tumultuous relationship that is doomed for failure rather than break up with someone and be independent out of fear. And, this, I really believe is what drives this perception that one is "too good to be true." What the person is really saying I believe is "He's too good for ME." In other words, "I don't deserve him." And you can talk to a woman until you're blue in the face about it. You can tell her how she deserves a good man who treats her with love and respect yet your words will go in one ear and out the other. Why? FEAR which really should stand for False Evidence that Appears Real. Am I wrong?
Last edited by beatlejuice72; May 1,2010 at 9:46pm.
 
  Reply With Quote
szgorzelski is offline szgorzelski Post #2  May 1,2010, 11:08pm
szgorzelski's Avatar

is on beercation.

Veteran

Joined: Jan 2010

Fort Eustis, VA

Posts: 1,413

See profile

No, you're right. There are a lot of people, both men and women, who seem to be perpetually involved in relationships.

I do disagree that women will choose not to be with a guy who seems "to good to be true". There's no such thing as a genuinely unselfish person. Granted, there are genuinely "good" people, but even the good people are selfish. There is no such thing as an unselfish act. You can rationalize how "good" of a thing it was that you gave some lady flowers, but in the end you had selfish reasons, whether you admit it, acknowledge it, or not. Maybe you just wanted to make her feel good, which in return made you feel good that you made someone else feel good. That's selfish by definition. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I stand by my theory that actions speak louder than motivation.

Me, I'm like you. Although I did get divorced, I am happily single and choose to remain so for quite some time. I just don't see any real advantage for a man to get married compared to how much he has to give up. I've never been one who needed to be with someone, so maybe I'm different from most people. I don't know. What I do know is that maybe you and I see this "tue good to be ture" thing much differently. Where as you see a woman who thinks "this guy is too good to be true so I'm going to stick with him", I see a woman who is co-dependent.
 
  Reply With Quote
oceanlady is offline oceanlady Post #3  May 2,2010, 4:37am
oceanlady's Avatar

Quick Study

Joined: Apr 2010

Posts: 58

See profile

Beatlejuice, I totally agree with your perspective on this, especially the part about not being willing to settle. It is so true that when people reject someone for being "too good to be true" it says way more about the person doing the rejecting than the other person. It is sad that some people have such a low self image that they actually seek out relationships with partners who mistreat and devalue them.
And szgorzelski, I can relate to your post, too. I , too am hesitant to consider marriage because I don't see any real advantage for me as a woman compared to what I would have to give up. However, I do realize that my perspective is based on being married to someone who was very selfish, to say the least. Maybe someday I will meet someone who is a genuinely great guy and he will change my mind about marriage!
 
  Reply With Quote
Gr8Guyn2008 is offline Gr8Guyn2008 Post #4  May 2,2010, 4:54am
Gr8Guyn2008's Avatar

I'm crippled by the fear That I've fallen too far to love

Sage

Joined: Jan 2008

Orlando, FL

Posts: 19,670

See profile

Doesn't this come back to the bad boy thing? Women love bad boys. Period.
 
  Reply With Quote
szgorzelski is offline szgorzelski Post #5  May 2,2010, 5:13am
szgorzelski's Avatar

is on beercation.

Veteran

Joined: Jan 2010

Fort Eustis, VA

Posts: 1,413

See profile

The major reason I think women will reject a guy who seems to good to be true is because the chase is over. They've got him. Then all that niceness becomes smothering. Really nice guys are not challenging. Soul mates challenge you.

The major reason why I think women want a bad boy is because they want to be that one person in his life who he is somewhat nice to. The bad boy is a major challenge and adds drama and flair to her life. Drama and flair are far from boring. Nice is boring.
 
  Reply With Quote
oceanlady is offline oceanlady Post #6  May 2,2010, 5:27am
oceanlady's Avatar

Quick Study

Joined: Apr 2010

Posts: 58

See profile

Gr8guy, There are many women out there (like me!) who are not attracted to "bad boys"! I feel that the women who do have a pattern of dating these types and accepting their "bad" behavior have self esteem issues.
 
  Reply With Quote
BikerBeagle is offline BikerBeagle Post #7  May 2,2010, 6:06am
BikerBeagle's Avatar

thinks everyone should just ask themselves, WWBBD?

Virtuoso

Joined: Aug 2008

Kansas

Posts: 2,548

See profile

Some people will choose to stay in a tumultuous relationship that is doomed for failure rather than break up with someone and be independent out of fear. And, this, I really believe is what drives this perception that one is "too good to be true." What the person is really saying I believe is "He's too good for ME." In other words, "I don't deserve him."
There is a flaw in your logic.

Women won't leave "jerks" out of fear of being alone, but according to your perspective, they'll happily leave "good" guys (presumably to be alone) because "I don't deserve him"? Where is the fear of leaving a "good" guy rather than being alone? ...sorry, a valid argument this does not make.

No, the common factor isn't fear ...it's low self-esteem.

Whenever I listen to someone say that someone is "too good to be true" I think that says more about the person saying it than the person they believe is too good to be true.
I think you did hit on a very valid point with this statement ...sometimes, when someone says "it's not you, it's me" ...it really isn't "you".

However, and this may be a topic for another day, I believe that when someone tells you "you are too good to be true" ...it means, "I'm not/no longer sexually attracted to you". This would also answer both sides of your equation.
 
  Reply With Quote
beatlejuice72 is offline beatlejuice72 Post #8  May 2,2010, 7:50am

I'm a man's man, but I like women a whole lot more!

Unregistered

Joined: Mar 2008

Goose Creek, SC

Posts: 1,201

See profile

szgorzelski wrote :
No, you're right. There are a lot of people, both men and women, who seem to be perpetually involved in relationships.

I do disagree that women will choose not to be with a guy who seems "to good to be true". There's no such thing as a genuinely unselfish person. Granted, there are genuinely "good" people, but even the good people are selfish. There is no such thing as an unselfish act. You can rationalize how "good" of a thing it was that you gave some lady flowers, but in the end you had selfish reasons, whether you admit it, acknowledge it, or not. Maybe you just wanted to make her feel good, which in return made you feel good that you made someone else feel good. That's selfish by definition. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I stand by my theory that actions speak louder than motivation.

Me, I'm like you. Although I did get divorced, I am happily single and choose to remain so for quite some time. I just don't see any real advantage for a man to get married compared to how much he has to give up. I've never been one who needed to be with someone, so maybe I'm different from most people. I don't know. What I do know is that maybe you and I see this "tue good to be ture" thing much differently. Where as you see a woman who thinks "this guy is too good to be true so I'm going to stick with him", I see a woman who is co-dependent.
I agree that love to a certain extent can be selfish at times, but isn't it also true that it has more to do with us being happy? The fulfillment of happiness by giving love and affection then having that love and affection reciprocated back towards us is what we are all here for IMHO. Nothing in this life is one-sided. I totally believe in the yin-yang philosophy. There must be balance in life. Nature would not be able to have life without death, war without peace, love without lust, wealth without poverty, happiness without pain. When a guy gives a woman flowers he simultaneously wants to elicit a positive response from her because he desires her AND because of that desire he wants to make her feel desired and appreciated. So, it kind of works both ways. Yes, there is that selfish gene and by that I don't mean a guy named Gene. There is a selfish part of our genetic makeup which wants to feel better about ourselves and happy, but what's wrong with that? So long as love is not one-sided, then what's the problem? If we can feel better AND most importantly, make the other person feel better I don't see what the problem is.
 
  Reply With Quote
beatlejuice72 is offline beatlejuice72 Post #9  May 2,2010, 7:59am

I'm a man's man, but I like women a whole lot more!

Unregistered

Joined: Mar 2008

Goose Creek, SC

Posts: 1,201

See profile

Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :
Doesn't this come back to the bad boy thing? Women love bad boys. Period.
Ah yes. Bad boys. Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? ;-) With all due respect, you are buying into the stereotype or perception that "women love bad boys." Yes, some do. It's not all of them, however. It's like saying "gays love musicals" or "men love sports." There are some men out there who love bad girls. Look at Jesse James. He's got Sandra Bullock who is one of the most talented and intelligent actresses in Hollywood. Yet he cheats on her with an unattractive stripper who dresses up in Nazi outfits. Isn't that why many men cheat? Because they get bored. How many times have we read stories or heard about men who were married to beautiful women that cheated on them with these skanky women? It's like that movie "Fatal Attraction." Michael Douglas has Anne Archer as his wife in that movie and she's far more beautiful than Glenn Close IMHO. Yet he cheats on Anne with Glenn because...why? Because Glenn Close is unpredictable, kinky, aggressive and stimulates him in a way that Anne doesn't do anymore? So, what I'm saying is that some men are guilty of doing the same thing with women in picking "bad girls".
 
  Reply With Quote
szgorzelski is offline szgorzelski Post #10  May 2,2010, 4:04pm
szgorzelski's Avatar

is on beercation.

Veteran

Joined: Jan 2010

Fort Eustis, VA

Posts: 1,413

See profile

I agree that love to a certain extent can be selfish at times, but isn't it also true that it has more to do with us being happy? The fulfillment of happiness by giving love and affection then having that love and affection reciprocated back towards us is what we are all here for IMHO. Nothing in this life is one-sided. I totally believe in the yin-yang philosophy. There must be balance in life. Nature would not be able to have life without death, war without peace, love without lust, wealth without poverty, happiness without pain. When a guy gives a woman flowers he simultaneously wants to elicit a positive response from her because he desires her AND because of that desire he wants to make her feel desired and appreciated. So, it kind of works both ways. Yes, there is that selfish gene and by that I don't mean a guy named Gene. There is a selfish part of our genetic makeup which wants to feel better about ourselves and happy, but what's wrong with that? So long as love is not one-sided, then what's the problem? If we can feel better AND most importantly, make the other person feel better I don't see what the problem is.
Oh no, I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with it. I would say it's better to be nice to someone so that you feel good about yourself for being nice than it is to be nice to someone to get money out of them. In the end, though, they are both selfish behaviors. It's just that one behavior does damage to the other person while one does not. All in all, a "nice guy" is still selfish, although very nice about it.
 
  Reply With Quote
Reply
  • Page 1 of 2
  • 1
  • 2


Topic Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new topics
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Topics
Topic Topic Starter Board Replies Last Post
Good boss? eH_Advice_Admin_Lori Career 11 July 13,2010 8:33am
The old 'Too good to be true?' schtick? SweetKatieA Dating 100 March 25,2010 6:02am
International Romance - Too Good to Be True? goolagang123 Dating 20 May 24,2009 4:32pm

Looking for a Great Relationship?

Get started now. Fill out this form and take the questionnaire to receive your matches.

First Name:

I'm a:
seeking

Postal Code:

Country:

Email:

Confirm Email:

Password:


How did you hear about us?


Latest on our Dating Advice Discussion Boards

“Come on, just because the guy is old and hasn't dated doesn't make him a toad. Lots of people have divorced and not dated in years due to job, kids, or whatever. You said he seemed nice. Maybe he is ... ” –  Altair

Join the “Yellow flags...To Proceed or not to proceed, that is the question?” discussion

“No, you have missed the point entirely. (Which is again evidence that raising children is far easier than most things.) Only a tiny fraction of motivated, able people succeed in reaching space. ... ” –  scubaroo

Join the “who pays?” discussion

“You need to try harder ... cus harder is always mo bettah!” –  ThePriestess

Join the “Friday Night Roll Call !!! Sweaty Summer Fun edition!” discussion

“I went hunting the other day and I bagged a deer.” –  myusernamehere

Join the “Good News” discussion

“Well, I'd start by trying to learn the reason. If he doesn't like "desk jobs," or respect corporations for perceived ethics, then maybe an entreprenurial venture is more his style? If he simply ... ” –  D_Lion

Join the “How to motivate a person?” discussion

“How to be happy with him? Chicks dig firefighters ...” –  ThePriestess

Join the “Ways to motivate him?” discussion

“Hi Suzanne, please see comments below in red. Overall, you seem to be a deep, sensitive and spiritual person. You have interesting hobbies and occupations. Remember there are hundreds and thousands ... ” –  SearchingHoping

Join the “Seeking review of my profile: 52 yr old woman, Pittsburgh area” discussion



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 9:36pm.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0