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useakiss is offline useakiss Post #1  April 10,2010, 10:39am
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One of my match filters is that the guy must be a non-smoker. I grew up in a home with a heavy smoker--aside from the fact that it probably did damage to my long-term health, I just find it smelly and disgusting. Plus, I know just how hard it is for someone to quit after watching so many folks fail at it.

Yesterday I was matched with someone who listed himself as a nonsmoker. Hurrah!

As I got into reading his rather rambling profile, I hit this passage:

"I'm currently a smoker who is trying to quit. There wasn't a selection available for "Trying to quit" so I chose "No" as I'm determined to quit."

IMO you either ARE, or are not, a smoker. There is no "try."

Granted, if he'd said something like "I've been smoke-free for a year" or something like that, I'd give him a pass. But as it stands, to me that's like saying "I tried to climb Mt. Everest"--it implies you've failed.

I'm just curious what you think of this sort of fudging of facts. Do you think this is a deliberate lie to get more matches that might otherwise exclude a smoker, or that he's sincere but has some very faulty logic, or is this just a question of semantics in what he means by the word "try"?

I'm also curious what sorts of fudging you've run into with matches. I'm still relatively new to this whole scene and I'm hoping to learn from others' mistakes.
 
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I'd say it's wishful thinking on his part that someone who is a dedicated non-smoker might be willing to overlook his habit.

It would be more honest to call himself a smoker, but he might be having issues with getting quality matches. The other thing to consider is that, wanting to quit, I can imagine he doesn't want to be matched with someone who smokes...that would make it exponentially harder for him to quit.

That said, I do think the answers offered in the profile leave a lot to be desired in terms of flexibility. If you are a non-smoker but you wouldn't mind someone who enjoys an occasional cigar, or you don't smoke but you are okay with someone who does so out of the house - those options are not availabe.

So, was he wrong to misrepresent himself initially? Yep. But he cleared it up right away, which takes away in my mind any lingering idea that he might be a liar. He's just like most of us - he's trying to minimize the negative things and aim for someone who will support him in making better choices. But you also have the right to not be the one to provide that support.

As to lies I've been told, trust me when I tell you that you don't want to hear those. They range from marital status to illegal activity to a chronic history of infidelity and deception. I don't really think this falls into the same category. I view this more in the same vein as the guy who said he was emotionally available after ending a volatile and abusive relationship. He wasn't trying to decieve me. He was just over-optimistic.
 
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Well, since he said directly that he's trying to quit, rather than being a nonsmoker already, I don't know how you can accuse him of lying- unless you find out that he's not really trying to quit. It's not fudging, either.

Depending on the method someone is using to quit, there certainly is a status somewhere between smoker and nonsmoker.

Also, what about people who never smoke cigarettes but sometimes smoke a pipe or a cigar? Some of them might not smoke even once a week, but if they call themselves smokers, most of us would assume they meant daily.

It should be easy enough to determine if he's sincere when you meet him, since he'll either smoke or he won't. If you have any sense of smell you'll be able to tell if he smoked shortly before meeting.
 
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I'd say it's wishful thinking on his part that someone who is a dedicated non-smoker might be willing to overlook his habit.

It would be more honest to call himself a smoker, but he might be having issues with getting quality matches. The other thing to consider is that, wanting to quit, I can imagine he doesn't want to be matched with someone who smokes...that would make it exponentially harder for him to quit.

That said, I do think the answers offered in the profile leave a lot to be desired in terms of flexibility. If you are a non-smoker but you wouldn't mind someone who enjoys an occasional cigar, or you don't smoke but you are okay with someone who does so out of the house - those options are not availabe.

So, was he wrong to misrepresent himself initially? Yep. But he cleared it up right away, which takes away in my mind any lingering idea that he might be a liar. He's just like most of us - he's trying to minimize the negative things and aim for someone who will support him in making better choices. But you also have the right to not be the one to provide that support.

As to lies I've been told, trust me when I tell you that you don't want to hear those. They range from marital status to illegal activity to a chronic history of infidelity and deception. I don't really think this falls into the same category. I view this more in the same vein as the guy who said he was emotionally available after ending a volatile and abusive relationship. He wasn't trying to decieve me. He was just over-optimistic.
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useakiss wrote :
I hit this passage:

"I'm currently a smoker who is trying to quit. .
I wonder if we got matched with the same person!!! So I got matched up with this guy, thought i'd give him a try, but it turned out that he spent a lot of time sneaking, hiding, and underestimating his smoking habit and ended up lying to me about how much he was actually smoking. The truth was, he was a smoker, trying or not, and it was a lie in his profile to select other than what he was, a smoker.
 
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I don't see how this is lying, nor would I necessarily jump to the conclusion that he was insincere or using questionable logic.

For the sake of argument, let's say he is sincerely trying to quit smoking. Maybe he doesn't like smokers, including himself, and that's why he's trying to quit. If he says he's a smoker, I'm guessing he'll only be matched with other smokers. How will this ever help him reach his goal. This would seem to leave his only course of action as the one he actually took; Calling himself (perhaps wishfully) a non-smoker, but then clarifying it in his profile.
 
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useakiss wrote :
"I'm currently a smoker who is trying to quit. There wasn't a selection available for "Trying to quit" so I chose "No" as I'm determined to quit."
If he hasn't had a cigarette since writing that profile - even if was a week ago - I'd see it as honest. If he is still a smoker, then he is a lier.

I agree with the implication of failure, too (and that is very unattractive.)


useakiss wrote :
I'm just curious what you think of this sort of fudging of facts. Do you think this is a deliberate lie to get more matches that might otherwise exclude a smoker, or that he's sincere but has some very faulty logic, or is this just a question of semantics in what he means by the word "try"?
I agree with the bold part - deliberate lie. He probably knows most people are selecting "non smoker" in their searching.


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I'm also curious what sorts of fudging you've run into with matches. I'm still relatively new to this whole scene and I'm hoping to learn from others' mistakes.
The one I saw most often was women lying about their fitness / activity level (when lack thereof was the problem.)

I see a huge amount of "I'm intelligent, have a sense of humor," when, if they do, they sure don't set the bar very high.

I saw one woman who had selected 49 in her data entry, then wrote "I'm 49 plus 2 [implying 51]." I saw this one as she figured many men were putting 50 (a round number) in their searching, and to get into more results she fudged.
 
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I have on mine drinks several times a year. I have that relaxed for matches though.
I got a flexible match that had on his drinks once a week. Fine, I thought. Maybe friday night with the guys type thing. Turned out it was daily.
The thing that got me was his, what he was looking for, was honesty.
 
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I don't see how this is lying, nor would I necessarily jump to the conclusion that he was insincere or using questionable logic.

For the sake of argument, let's say he is sincerely trying to quit smoking. Maybe he doesn't like smokers, including himself, and that's why he's trying to quit. If he says he's a smoker, I'm guessing he'll only be matched with other smokers. How will this ever help him reach his goal. This would seem to leave his only course of action as the one he actually took; Calling himself (perhaps wishfully) a non-smoker, but then clarifying it in his profile.
Sorry, but i'm sure the majority of you may not agree with me, but perhaps someone should actually quit before they call themselves a non-smoker and want non-smoking matches. It wasn't fair to me, a non-smoker, to have to deal with the lying and sneaking around, the smoky breath and clothes. There is more and more studies that show that even smoke in your clothes can cause allergies and health issues that weren't know about before. So if someone is sincere to quit, and they want to be matched up with non-smokers, in fairness, they should be a non-smoker prior to saying they are a non-smoker. When someone says they are trying to quit, how do you actually measure that? How many cigarettes makes a person as classified "trying to quit"? I think that just creates too many differences in definitions, opinions and judgements. It seems like an easy way out....
 
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I'll give him credit for admitting it before a first meeting. That's all the credit he's getting from me.

Personally, I prefer nonsmokers, but do not exclude smokers unless they smoke heavily. I do prefer honest people.

I don't think this is dishonest, but slightly desperate yes.

Signed......a former smoker.
 
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