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FairOne is offline FairOne Post #21  January 27,2010, 6:03pm
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cardguy wrote :
What I should aspire to has nothing to do with the median income, whether of all or only full-time workers.

Okay, that's true.

But is does impact what one ought to consider an appropriate benchmark for themself, when you are using the figures in the manner you did.
 
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D_Lion wrote :
Neither is mine. That's my point; standard of living has plunged.

$1 million is the base salary I would need to have the same ratio of income to house value my father had (25 years ago.)
The standard of living has not plunged.

What about my boat?
 
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FairOne wrote :
I think the region you live in will largely skew your perception. Where I live jussmile's numbers are not so outlandish.
Possible, but the median household income of Seattle is only about $1,000 more than that of the nation as a whole. No one *has* to live on Mercer Island, using that as the standard for normal isn't realistic.
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PY_2 wrote :
How much would this be?? (I'm serious)

Net worth Tier:

1. Tier 1: < $100,000?
2. Tier 2: $101,000-250,000?
3. Tier 3: $250,000-500,000?

We can even use president Obama's defintion of 'rich'...means anybody earning over $125,000 (for individual?)
I think what people are rightfully pointing out is that 125K earned in different locations means a very different standard of living (which is being used erroneously) or better stated, "purchasing power" potential.

125K where I live is comfortable - not very much for want. In South West Virginia, it will buy a (whole) lot more. In San Francisco it will buy little relatively.
 
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Oh, and since D_Lion brought it up, here are the median numbers for an individual person restricted to those employed full-time:

Bachelor's: $50,959
Master's: $61,324
Doctorate: $79,292
 
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cardguy wrote :
Possible, but the median household income of Seattle is only about $1,000 more than that of the nation as a whole. No one *has* to live on Mercer Island, using that as the standard for normal isn't realistic.
I live in the DC area, which has a pretty high cost of living, and it's definitely not realistic for this area...(i.e., it's too high).
 
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My exact quote from the BE-ATCH thread included below... thinking this is still the case...

"I actually don't think it really matters what the actual income is that each person associates with the tier. As long as you are consistent with your tier, then it's safe. For instance, if I believe I'm in the 4th tier (whatever that might be) and okay with mr youngy being in the 3rd tier, it's all relative to me... from my perspective of what Super High (5th Tier), High (4th Tier), Medium (3rd Tier), Low (2nd Tier) and Super Low (1st Tier) means.
For instance, $50k might be High tier to some, and might be Low tier to others. As long as you are using your own frame of reference, sticking to Tiers instead of income is much safer. Otherwise, you get into arguments with people that $50k a year is a HUGE salary... or, it's change. There's no winning some arguments."

"The only reason I would not associate actual salaries to tiers is because of the vast perspectives and opinions people have on it. Personally, $50k would be in the low tier for me... but, I also know, this is a higher tier for others. When you have such a delta in perspectives, it's much better to just talk generalities, otherwise, the conversation never advances."
 
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PY_2 is offline PY_2 Post #29  January 27,2010, 6:17pm

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Another comparison...I have a friend who makes 'super low' (upper 40s-low 50s)....he lives in the middle of San Francisco...at the end of every month he ranges from breaking even to maybe pocketing about a couple hundred bucks a month (I know...jussmile maybe find triple that just in between her couch cushions but hear me out...)...

Many of his coworkers makes upwards of 80K-125K/month...but they are stressing out every single month because they are living paycheck to paycheck, and upset if they didn't get the bonus that year because that might cause them to lose their house. Crazy eh?

I was unemployed (quit my job) a little while ago...people were wondering why I was able to still go out to eat, enjoy my life for quite a few months, where many of them (who I know make almost double than me) have to bring peanut butter and jelly sammiches to work.

I think it's all about money management and I was offered (when I applied for a loan) to buy a house almost double what I'm comfortable with...so I'm sorry I just shook my head last year when people were crying their eyes out when they had to leave their big houses, when I know that they could've been sleeping well at night when they just maybe lower their pride and greed a little bit...and just live more 'modestly'.....

I won't get into what kind of house I used to live in...but I'm just saying....people in the US sometimes can get a little stuck up and think that a couple thousand SF house is a little 'cramp'...or if you have a 5 year old car, you're struggling.

I've gone out with a woman who made almost double than what I made (at that time), but she's renting and I own a house (maybe equivalent to jussmile's garage based on how she describes her house lol) but the point is....I own my own house, which I bought very much within my comfort level, and don't own any debt (good 'ol seven year old honda...but it's paid off)...when my date had to drive over 50-60 miles/day to make a minimum 'requirement' to maintain her living.

Maybe I'm off base.
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I agree with this totally. Your chart is not with the reality of the US. To call someone making just under 50 grand "super low" just reeks of snobbiness. It feels like you are bragging a bit.

cardguy wrote :
You've got a pretty skewed definition of what average is. Here's what % of US households fall in each of your brackets (source: Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia):

1st (Super Low): $50k and below -- 54.87%

2nd (Low): $50k - $75k -- 18.3%

3rd (Medium): $75k - $150k -- 11.13%

4th (High): $150k - $300k -- ~15% (cutoff number I found was actually $250k)

5th (a): $300k and above -- 1.5%

So to be of "medium" wealth by your standards, you have to personally have an income that's higher than that of 73% of households in the US.

If you want to divide the country in to quintiles, here's what the ranges should be:

Very Low: $18,500 or below
Low: $18,500-$34,750
Medium: $34,750-$55,300
High: $55,300-$88,000
Very High: $88,000 or above
(Elite, top 5%): $157,000 or above
 
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