Does Illogical Logic Serve Any Purpose? (or, why we should ditch "The Rules")


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Can_I_just_be_Jo is offline Can_I_just_be_Jo Post #1  January 14,2010, 5:38am

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Yeah I am like Dr. Phil, except I am an accountant and I have more hair and a better body, oh yeah, my IQ is higher I digress.....

Lets get in touch with our feelings reality.

Oh carp! she is going after the rules again. *hush*

There is a logic test, stop me if you have already seen this. If it rains the street will be wet. If the street is wet it has rained. The former is logical because rain will always wet the street. The latter is not because many things can wet a street. Hose? Pick up truck with water in the back. Snow anyone?

You must always date at a slow pace. If a relationship progresses too quickly it ends quickly. Sorry guys not logical. See the more you see someone the quicker you learn about them. It follows that you can also realize quickly you can't stand this person. It has nothing to do with the pace!

You must go on 4 no 6, wait 10? oh whatever, dates before having sex. Sex in the first few dates ruins the relationship. Nope sorry, not logical. What is logical is that those that wait are more likely to be in a bad relationship when if they had sex quicker would have just ended it. See Cialdini, love that guy. See sunk costs, love that concept.

So all your friends have met him. He is really sweet and opens the door for you. You told mom he may be the one. You hit two months *squee* so you are doing the deed. My god he is awful. oops But we are going to see mom this weekend. Was he really that bad? Maybe it was me? I am sure he was just having an off day. Yeah he tried to stick it in my ear, whats that all about? Umm but Judy thinks he is hot. See if you had just done the deed right away you would have dumped his sorry arse. Now you have a vested interest (Cialdini) or sunk cost (business/accounting).

Guys, same scenerio but insert dead fish woman....oh and Bob thinks she is hot.

I could go on but the point is simple, you cannot create rules or guidlines to create a relationship where one should never have existed. You may go out longer before breaking up but in the end you will break up. Difference is a mess of wasted time.
 
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And rules don't work simply because we are all different. Not one relationship, first, third or tenth date is the same. What works with one person doesn't work with the next and next and ........................
And that's what's so great and fascinating about dating and relationships.


Oh, my BOB thinks he's hot too
 
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Yeah I am like Dr. Phil, except I am an accountant and I have more hair and a better body, oh yeah, my IQ is higher I digress.....

Lets get in touch with our feelings reality.

Oh carp! she is going after the rules again. *hush*

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I could go on but the point is simple, you cannot create rules or guidlines to create a relationship where one should never have existed. You may go out longer before breaking up but in the end you will break up. Difference is a mess of wasted time.
Jo---hush--your inner frustrated child is showing. It's ok baby, you don't have to date any of the rule makers. Remember, you found Big T? There there, sweetums..all is well.
 
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I could go on but the point is simple, you cannot create rules or guidlines to create a relationship where one should never have existed. You may go out longer before breaking up but in the end you will break up. Difference is a mess of wasted time.
If I understand this correctly you are pretty much saying that there is no such thing as a relationship and that you should just hop in the sack on the first date and move along Or maybe just give up on any kind of dating and become a hermit.
 
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Great first post, and refreshing to see something like that said by a woman. She even mentions Cialdini. Cool!
 
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Seems rather fatalistic to me...either two people are meant to be together or they're not, and there's nothing you can do to either screw it up or make it work. I don't think I buy that statement.
 
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Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :
If I understand this correctly you are pretty much saying that there is no such thing as a relationship and that you should just hop in the sack on the first date and move along Or maybe just give up on any kind of dating and become a hermit.
You misread the post, especially the words where one should never have existed.

Great original post, BTW.
 
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If I understand this correctly you are pretty much saying that there is no such thing as a relationship and that you should just hop in the sack on the first date and move along Or maybe just give up on any kind of dating and become a hermit.
Not what I said but you did get me thinking about a logic error on my part or at least another way of looking at it. There are good relationships and bad ones. A lot of these rules are made to hedge against a bad relationship. My point is that they do not. What you made me think about is that jumping in the sack right away can also create an environment where you remain in a bad relationship. Sex creates a vested interest in a relationship as well.

In the end what is true is there are no rules that will protect you from staying in bad relationship. Even if I said a rule should be jump in the sack right away lest you be doomed. By creating a rule you remove the responsibility of thought and the part of the person accepting the rule. He/she can now say I must jump in the sack and ignore that voice that is saying I don't feel like this is for me. It is the same as the guy/gal who wants to call someone the next day, if you feel it is right for you to call then by all means call. If the person doesn't accept this then they are most likely not the person for you.
 
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Seems rather fatalistic to me...either two people are meant to be together or they're not, and there's nothing you can do to either screw it up or make it work. I don't think I buy that statement.
Not what I am saying. All relationships require work and effort. What I am saying is that no amount of work or effort will make a bad match work. I am also saying that the rules do not create a higher success rate.
 
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Yeah I am like Dr. Phil, except I am an accountant and I have more hair and a better body, oh yeah, my IQ is higher I digress.....

Lets get in touch with our feelings reality.

Oh carp! she is going after the rules again. *hush*

There is a logic test, stop me if you have already seen this. If it rains the street will be wet. If the street is wet it has rained. The former is logical because rain will always wet the street. The latter is not because many things can wet a street. Hose? Pick up truck with water in the back. Snow anyone?

You must always date at a slow pace. If a relationship progresses too quickly it ends quickly. Sorry guys not logical. See the more you see someone the quicker you learn about them. It follows that you can also realize quickly you can't stand this person. It has nothing to do with the pace!

You must go on 4 no 6, wait 10? oh whatever, dates before having sex. Sex in the first few dates ruins the relationship. Nope sorry, not logical. What is logical is that those that wait are more likely to be in a bad relationship when if they had sex quicker would have just ended it. See Cialdini, love that guy. See sunk costs, love that concept.

So all your friends have met him. He is really sweet and opens the door for you. You told mom he may be the one. You hit two months *squee* so you are doing the deed. My god he is awful. oops But we are going to see mom this weekend. Was he really that bad? Maybe it was me? I am sure he was just having an off day. Yeah he tried to stick it in my ear, whats that all about? Umm but Judy thinks he is hot. See if you had just done the deed right away you would have dumped his sorry arse. Now you have a vested interest (Cialdini) or sunk cost (business/accounting).

Guys, same scenerio but insert dead fish woman....oh and Bob thinks she is hot.

I could go on but the point is simple, you cannot create rules or guidlines to create a relationship where one should never have existed. You may go out longer before breaking up but in the end you will break up. Difference is a mess of wasted time.
Thank you for this post!! I was actually laughing out loud at parts of it. Best thing I have read all day!!
 
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