What's your definition of a "Player"


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KungFuFtr is offline KungFuFtr Post #1  December 24,2009, 1:15am
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The word is thrown around a lot. Is this really the same as a "womanizer"?

What's your interpretation?
 
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nightling is offline nightling Post #2  December 24,2009, 2:08am
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The word is thrown around a lot. Is this really the same as a "womanizer"?

What's your interpretation?
To me a player is someone who just wants to sleep with as many women as possible in one lifetime and isn't interested in a relationship though they will hint that you might be The One and that they might be obtainable if you do a little chasing. To them, a woman is an experience, not a person.

I do think the term gets batted around unfairly quite a bit here at the boards. People will say that the person must have been a player bc they poofed after the second date but said they'd call. Well maybe the guy just didn't like you and didn't know how to say so and felt obligated to say he'd call. That might make him immature or thoughtless or something like that. It doesn't make him a player.

I also think people don't really know a player when they see one. I hear things like insincere flattery being suggested as a sign or buying a lady a drink and that's just so far from the total picture it's almost laughable. The guy might be insincere, but a good player never seems insincere.

A more likely redflag is the backhanded compliment. Things like, "Wow you must be really confident to wear that dress," or "nice nails, are they real," or "you're a smart broad," "nice legs for an Oriental," "you look like you could clean up nice."

These aren't the best examples just some things I saw around the boards recently that sort of fit the bill of what the backhanded compliment would sound like. It sets up a dynamic that's opposite the usual. He's put it out there that he kind of likes you, but he's not really chasing you. You are chasing him.

But even the backhanded compliment's not a given. They might offer sincere flattery, too. It really depends on the target. The game is to let the woman think she sees whatever her ideal is, whatever she's wanting to see, and to do nothing that detracts. So things will be kept kind of vague. The target can't be too dumb, or she won't be smart enough to fill in the blanks he's leaving.

Some players will set up the idea they are bashful and shy and maybe a little timid ... which might be true. They're playing up something natural to them to set up a dynamic where the woman's kind of chasing them. The "shy" player is not usually nervous though, so that's kind of a hint. The mismatch will be sort of puzzling.

Insincere flattery might signal a player wanta-be, or just a nice guy who is a little nervous. The difference here ... Casanova and Don Jaun are not usually nervous. They know exactly what they are doing whatever their routine is.

Also, it's a myth that the player really doesn't like women or that he's a jerk. That wouldn't be successful at all.

There are lots of books written by these players and articles online so if a person wants to educate themselves to spot these things it's quite easy to do and personally, I would recommend it — even if you do manage to catch one of these players ... they don't make good husbands. You really want to avoid them if you can.
Last edited by nightling; December 24,2009 at 4:09am. Reason: I know women can be players too but unless you're real wealthy or king of an empire I doubt you will ever see one.
 
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Someone, male or female, who messes with people for their own gain whatever it is they feel they are gaining, with no thought to the damage they may be causing the other participants.

Somehow, I see the word as being interchangeable with sociopath in a lot of ways.

Womanizer - more of an upfront person as in I am seeing lots of women and like it. No hard feelings if you don't want to join in the parade lol.

I see the two as being nowhere near the same thing. I interpret player to be a negative term used to describe a person who does not really like the opposite sex.

Womanizer, OTOH, is a guy who actually likes women, makes no secret of what he is doing, and has no hard feelings if you don't want to play.

Those are my definitions, yours may differ lol.

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Lilycat wrote :
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Someone, male or female, who messes with people for their own gain whatever it is they feel they are gaining, with no thought to the damage they may be causing the other participants.

Somehow, I see the word as being interchangeable with sociopath in a lot of ways.

Womanizer - more of an upfront person as in I am seeing lots of women and like it. No hard feelings if you don't want to join in the parade lol.

I see the two as being nowhere near the same thing. I interpret player to be a negative term used to describe a person who does not really like the opposite sex.

Womanizer, OTOH, is a guy who actually likes women, makes no secret of what he is doing, and has no hard feelings if you don't want to play.

Those are my definitions, yours may differ lol.

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Your definition of a womanizer is basically an incorrigible rake. He really likes women and lets them all know it. It's just another approach to being a player imho although I think it's probably the more honest approach of all the possible ones.
 
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There is a difference between the two to me, I would not categorize a womanizer or a rake as you so nicely put it (have to remember that one!) as a player.

To each his or her own, but there is a big difference between someone who is trying to trick you into something as opposed to a person who clearly says "this is what I am" and allows you to make an informed choice in taking it or leaving it.

I do not see the latter as being a player at all, and the only people I see hurt in their wake are the ones who think " I will change him, I am different" and will not listen (to him) when told the straight goods.

These women hurt themselves I think. The player scenario, to me that is someone trying to make you believe you are "The One" while running a take a number system in the back room lol

My terms may be a little off, but I see a big difference in the two types of people.

Hopefully I clarified my thinking a bit there, then again it is early.....

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Lilycat wrote :
There is a difference between the two to me, I would not categorize a womanizer or a rake as you so nicely put it (have to remember that one!) as a player.

To each his or her own, but there is a big difference between someone who is trying to trick you into something as opposed to a person who clearly says "this is what I am" and allows you to make an informed choice in taking it or leaving it.

I do not see the latter as being a player at all, and the only people I see hurt in their wake are the ones who think " I will change him, I am different" and will not listen (to him) when told the straight goods.

These women hurt themselves I think. The player scenario, to me that is someone trying to make you believe you are "The One" while running a take a number system in the back room lol

My terms may be a little off, but I see a big difference in the two types of people.

Hopefully I clarified my thinking a bit there, then again it is early.....

Have a great day

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I agree there is a huge moral difference, Lily ... but it really is just another of the many strategies and I have seen it described in some of these player handbooks.

Women like men who really like women and show it. They are flattered by the attention, so it's an approach that works especially if he is very cute and charming.

The thing is the rake doesn't care any more than the rest about whether the woman gets hurt. He knows the suggestion or hint that he can be reformed by the right woman is a great lure and will use that to his advantage the same as he would any other.

That he is honest about his incorrigibility does absolve him somewhat in my book however. He did after all warn ya ...
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I think I get what you are saying here Nightling, part of the difference to me is a player would use it as a strategy, where the womanizer is just like that. It's not a strategy or a game, it is who they are.

People, in general, who are just looking for a good time, and totally up front about it are wildly different than those who set out to deceive.

I know a couple of men, who I count among my friends, who are honestly like that, missing the commitment gene totally as one of them put it once, not at all interested in being with any one woman ever (quite clear about it) don't chase or pursue really, are great friends, but the chances are there will be no "serious type" relationship for them in the traditional sense (and they freely admit this) ever. I see women chasing them wildly at times, attracted by the challenge maybe, who just will not stop.

The ones that I know do care, try not to get into anything that will hurt anyone else, but sometimes there is no stopping someone......

We are all built differently, some radically so, but not all different people are out to harm and/or take advantage of someone. I will grant you that a lot are, but not all.....

Just trying to flesh out my POV a little more, it's really not easy to explain the difference to me, it is more of a visceral thing, but I am trying...... and the type of man I am trying to describe is pretty rare I guess.

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I think I get what you are saying here Nightling, part of the difference to me is a player would use it as a strategy, where the womanizer is just like that. It's not a strategy or a game, it is who they are.

People, in general, who are just looking for a good time, and totally up front about it are wildly different than those who set out to deceive.

I know a couple of men, who I count among my friends, who are honestly like that, missing the commitment gene totally as one of them put it once, not at all interested in being with any one woman ever (quite clear about it) don't chase or pursue really, are great friends, but the chances are there will be no "serious type" relationship for them in the traditional sense (and they freely admit this) ever. I see women chasing them wildly at times, attracted by the challenge maybe, who just will not stop.

The ones that I know do care, try not to get into anything that will hurt anyone else, but sometimes there is no stopping someone......

We are all built differently, some radically so, but not all different people are out to harm and/or take advantage of someone. I will grant you that a lot are, but not all.....

Just trying to flesh out my POV a little more, it's really not easy to explain the difference to me, it is more of a visceral thing, but I am trying...... and the type of man I am trying to describe is pretty rare I guess.

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Lilycat wrote :
Player
Someone, male or female, who messes with people for their own gain whatever it is they feel they are gaining, with no thought to the damage they may be causing the other participants.

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I agree with this definition.

For men, this 'gain' is usually sex and status (if she's a trophy) ...for women, this 'gain' is usually money and status.

The key point of this definition is that they are out for themselves, and only themselves. The only thing that matters to a 'player' is what he/she can get out of the 'relationship' with little or no consideration given to the other person.
 
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I share the view of Lilycat and BikerBeagle.

The "player" is dishonest and / or manipulative. I soppose in the "pop-culture" this person is a man desiring of frequent, non-committal or non-exclusive sex.
 
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