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olneyjeeps, there is more that he did that bugged me. Even things that I said, "no, that isn't OK." and he still did them. For example, he asked if he could touch my hair. I said, "thank you for asking, that is something I'm not comfortable with." And then 10 minutes later he is doing just that!

And on calling him out, there are appropriate times/places to say, "wow, you lied about your age? You're a jerk!" (Ok, so I wouldn't say it like that.) In a crowded bar where others can hear you is not one. I know if I had said something it would have been worse. A guy sitting next to him even commented "sounds like a first date". So, I think by taking this to a forum and figuring out a polite and correct way to say I'm not interested, without getting into the weirdness of the date, is better. I can be less than polite if I don't stop myself sometimes.

He just really annoyed me with the whole sundae thing. I had purposely walked 2 blocks to a local ice cream shop (he followed about 10 minutes later) and when he came in he just dove in. I offered him a few bites, not my entire dessert. Before that, at the brewery, he even grabbed my beer and took a few sips without asking. Sometimes people do things that you just don't know how to respond to at the time. Bad on my part? Maybe. But less so than pretending I'm something I am not.

And I only mentioned the Mensa because he made a big deal about me possibly having a prejudice about it. I DON'T. I didn't care about that. It just happens to be what he was being evasive about. It could have been the Humane Society or a Tree Climber group.... who really cares. The point is that he did not want to tell me and the way he did it was like he had a dark secret to hide. I got concerned because if he was involved with something totally against my beliefs I wanted to know. No offense to anyone in either of those groups, I love animals and trees!

nightling - I was sure to tell him that I needed something to eat before we had drinks. I didn't want to get wasted by the end of my 2nd beer with the guy! He even told me that he had stopped somewhere to grab a bite. If he had wanted to have dinner with me I would have waited, but he didn't express any interest in that. I made sure to arrive early so there wouldn't be this half eaten plate of food sitting there when he arrived. So, eating before he got there wasn't a huge deal IMO. If I had ordered and eaten in front of him, that would have been rude.
Thanks for the clarification. As for the hair thing, not in any way to excuse his action, his actions could easily be classified as a juvenile form of "testing." Children (as many higher IQ people can act as they have never learned proper social etiquette) commonly will continuously test, hoping that the answer will change. Additionally, being (in your words) handsome, his testing may be a function of guilt over having been introverted and not tested in his younger years. As "players" know exactly how/when to test, those who have been introverted and have not learned the "how not to," will show this demonstrated by ineptness quite clearly.

As to how to tell him: clearly and logically, leaving no room for interpretation. This is not to say that you can not be nice about it. Anything from "Thank you for the meeting but leave me alone." to (if you want to be rather nice): "You seem to be an intelligent attractive person. I appreciate that you may have been attracted to me (by touching my hair), but please understand that to me (and most women) when I say no (or "I don't feel comfortable with that") it means no. (Blah blah blah) about other things he did right and wrong..... Bottom line: To me your lying about your age is completely inexcusable and not something I (as a function of who I am) will ever get over. Do not test me on this, my courtesy has it's limitations. It is your life, but if you ever want to get past the first date with someone who will trust you I would recommend you never do that again." or " You lied to me about your age. You touched my hair when I told you I did not feel comfortable about it. I offered a bite of my sundae and you ate half of it without offering to help pay. You have used up more than all of your chances (and have placed yourself in debt). If you wish to see me again, you will respect implicitly what I say, or I will just walk away, period."
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nightling - I was sure to tell him that I needed something to eat before we had drinks. I didn't want to get wasted by the end of my 2nd beer with the guy! He even told me that he had stopped somewhere to grab a bite. If he had wanted to have dinner with me I would have waited, but he didn't express any interest in that. I made sure to arrive early so there wouldn't be this half eaten plate of food sitting there when he arrived. So, eating before he got there wasn't a huge deal IMO. If I had ordered and eaten in front of him, that would have been rude.
My mistake then. I thought your original post said you met for dinner/drinks.
 
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My mistake then. I thought your original post said you met for dinner/drinks.
It did, but i shouldnt have said dinner. It was at a brewery where we could eat tho.
 
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Wow, and I thought I screwed up by lying about my age by one year! A complete dealbreaker according to everyone on this board! But I did not interrupt her at all, paid for her drinks, opened doors, listened intently, and walked her to her car. Yet, the chick I met on Match last week will not respond to me. Sorry, don't want to hijack the thread, but I saw the age title and had to chime in after the abuse I took on here!
 
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As for the hair thing, not in any way to excuse his action, his actions could easily be classified as a juvenile form of "testing."

Actually, touching her hair can be viewed as wise.

Since women endlessy post here "he didn't kiss me, does this mean he's not interested?" an attentive man can figure that a woman who likes a man wants clear signs he is into her.

Now, in this instance the OP did not like her date, but since he is thus destined to be dumped anyway, he has nothing to lose. Whereas he has much to gain when he is with a woman who likes him.
 
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Wow, and I thought I screwed up by lying about my age by one year! A complete dealbreaker according to everyone on this board! But I did not interrupt her at all, paid for her drinks, opened doors, listened intently, and walked her to her car. Yet, the chick I met on Match last week will not respond to me. Sorry, don't want to hijack the thread, but I saw the age title and had to chime in after the abuse I took on here!
So you feel your lie is some how diminished b/c poor Andie had a date with an uber jerk?

I guess, if it makes you feel better that's all good.
 
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OK, no arguing in my thread!

I think the lying about his age is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy. He has no social skills. Or, what few skills he does have don't compensate for the skills he lacks. I think we all lack some sort of social skills, we just don't lack them ALL.

Actually, I was thinking about most of the bad dates I've had. Most of the horrible ones, like this one, are with guys I should have just turned down in the first place. This guy used a photo that may or may not be recent, so I thought no biggie, he grew out his hair a bit. But then he opened his mouth to tell me about his age thing. At least he came clean now and not a few dates, weeks, months or whatever from now.

There are quite a few more red flags that popped up during the night. And looking at how he behaved, how he would converse with people around us, his lack of memory on who I was and his interruption pattern, my initial thought of "flight" should have been heeded.

So, Atlguy38, it wasn't just about his lying. That was just the first of many things that were so totally wrong about this guy.

I think if you take a few steps away from dating, you might be better off for a while. I didn't post it, but I think your divorce is still too fresh. It can make any person seem less than they are if they have that emotional burden hanging over them.

Now, how the heck did this become about you and not me? I'm the princess around here dammit!
 
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Actually, I was thinking about most of the bad dates I've had. Most of the horrible ones, like this one, are with guys I should have just turned down in the first place. This guy used a photo that may or may not be recent, so I thought no biggie, he grew out his hair a bit. But then he opened his mouth to tell me about his age thing. At least he came clean now and not a few dates, weeks, months or whatever from now.

There are quite a few more red flags that popped up during the night. And looking at how he behaved, how he would converse with people around us, his lack of memory on who I was and his interruption pattern, my initial thought of "flight" should have been heeded.
In my experience that's been the tough thing with eH.

The small percentage of matches that get to IRL meetings can perhaps blind us to the little red flags that pop up in the eH communications process.
 
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Andiels, I know it was much more than his age. Thats what was so funny about it. I got trounced for that. But this guy you were out with sounds clueless. I'll get a 1 star rating for this, but I say don't go out with this dude again. He doesn't deserve another chance. Anyone that is that dense about dating (and I admit I don't know much anymore) doesn't deserve another shot, unless you feel like being his "teacher", lol.
 
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Andiels, I know it was much more than his age. Thats what was so funny about it. I got trounced for that. But this guy you were out with sounds clueless. I'll get a 1 star rating for this, but I say don't go out with this dude again. He doesn't deserve another chance. Anyone that is that dense about dating (and I admit I don't know much anymore) doesn't deserve another shot, unless you feel like being his "teacher", lol.

Ha ha! Guess what he does for a living!
 
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