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D_Lion is online now D_Lion Post #21  December 16,2009, 4:28pm
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Hi borabora. welcome to the eHa groups and thanks for the....amazing....post.

I had to read it a couple of times because initially I thought you are a woman-I was astounded when I discovered you aren't.

I'm sure your philosophy and advice will find some support and agreement but personally I think it's so far off base that it's in a different game altogether.

Sex isn't everything in the world, but it's darn important to a healthy functional person who has good self esteem.

Tthese aren't the 1800's where virginal women were treasured for their aloofness. An experienced and mature woman, today, has a fairly good BS indicator that allows us to weed out some if not all of the players...and sadly the only way to develop this ability is to find out by trial and error. Thats life, sweetie..we all get burned, we get up again and go on, lesson learned.

I think it's important that I, as a woman who might be interested in a potential future with a man, find out if we are sexually compatible before getting significantly emotionally involved with him. It would be far more heartbreaking to fall deeply in love with someone with whom I was unable to find happiness in our sex life.

I don't want to sound crass, but I have no intention of devoting myself to a man whose idea of foreplay or lovemaking is anything less than ideal for me.

Suggesting I spend a year growing closer and closer to a man only to discover we aren't fun in the sack is just silly.

And, I have to say, I don't know many men who would go along with that either-unless they are hyper religious, which isn't my cup of tea anyhow so we wouldn't attract each other in the first place.

This is a good post, so "five stars" from someone who puts his name on his vote.
 
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melman wrote :
I would close any match with this attitude about sexual morality.

And one need not be "hyper" religious to have this preference.
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D_Lion wrote :
Unless you like excessively-emotional men, I suggest you leave. I would never cry over something so trivial.

In my experience, women want to have sex, so I have never been faced with one who did not. My expectation is that I would say something like "I am used to having sex, so I have no reason not to for you."

In that case, if she stood her ground, I might or might not hang around (having never been tested on this matter), but would surely say "I will not consider any commitment at this time."

My experience with women is that I will win this fight. A consistant pattern of being honest goes a long way toward getting what I need.
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you would wait for the right girl.

and i meant cry figuratively not literally! if he literally started crying i would excuse myself never to return
 
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D_Lion wrote :
This is a good post, so "five stars" from someone who puts his name on his vote.
unless it happens to be the one stars that you gave to mine
 
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Nanette wrote :
unless it happens to be the one stars that you gave to mine

Not me ... and I suspect you figured that already.
 
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Nanette wrote :
you would wait for the right girl.

I might wait minimally, if I felt like it.

One thing the Ladies miss, is that I ... maybe many men, but definitely "I" ... consider "the right girl" a very variable idea. It doesn't take much to get out of the "right girl" catagory, and getting back in ... well, it's never happened.

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Generally speaking, I don't have enough need for sex to let it impair my judgment - easy, when it is easy to obtain, anyway.

I do think you have the wrong approach, and Roxy and others have the right approach: better to find out the conpatibility sooner.
 
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I'm coming from a different moral place than a lot of the people on this thread, but here's my take on this. I would never wait a year or two (I don't know if I could make 90 days), and I wouldn't date a guy who wanted to wait a year. No biggie - the point of dating is to find someone compatible. If you're not, just move on. (And you waiters don't have to be worried about being matched with me. The way my preferences are set, you won't be.)

But, anyway, let's look at the worst case scenario. I meet Mr. Great, sleep with him after a month, and he dumps me. If I really liked him, I'm going to be hurt no matter what. At least I might have had some fun. I don't see sex (or lack thereof) as some sort of commodity that determines my value. I only date people who see it the same way.
 
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cp30 wrote :
2+ years without marriage with or without sex is kind of a long time, as adults. Unless, marriage is not a goal for either party.
This is called friendship.
 
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borebore wrote :
...until you sleep with him.

A year if you can. 2 years maybe? At least six to nine months. Just do it this way. You'll have far less issues, headaches, heartaches, and baggage in the future. Just wait until you're absolutely freakin' sure that he's there for more than the sex.

You can show a man that you're interested and serious in ways other than jumping into bed with him. Don't use sex as a keeper tool.

Unless you want the sex badly yourself and are willing to possibly sacrifice a successful long term relationship for it. This is the sacrifice you're making.

This will weed out the wrong guys. Protect yourself. If a man is demanding sex in 90 days he's probably the wrong guy anyway. Think of it that way. 90 days isn't very long. I can do 90 days easy. I have dated a girl for over 90 days and then had sex with her and immediately felt like I was starting to lose interest, much to my own dismay. I didn't want to be *that* guy but I was.

Just trying to share some advice.
While I do admire the idea of you encouraging women to wait until they're sure they're ready to sleep with a man, it does ring of using sex as a weapon...especially since you're attaching a relatively set (and arbitrary) number to the time period.

I see this as markedly different than waiting until commitment/marriage/your 50th birthday/whathaveyou. In those cases, you can (and should) be up front and there is no guessing on the part of your partner. They can make an informed decision as to whether they'd like to stay or not.

If you're simply holding out for as long as possible for some arbitrary length of time (why 365 days? why not 360?), it does reek of a lack of consideration.

Also, assuming that this approach works, it doesn't weed out all the wrong guys, it only filters out the guys that are wrong for sexual reasons. Many, many other things could be wrong that are completely unrelated to sex and potentially just as damaging.
 
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dlion, you seem to have the impression that women would not have sex right away with the intention of using sex as a tool to exploit something out of a man, like a commitment.

I think that sex does cloud a mans judgment -- to a certain extent. Not to the point, though, where he will wait around forever for a girl that he isn't interested in if he is looking for a long term relationship.

It sounds like it would be walking on eggshells to be in a relationship with you if your definition of someone that you want to be with is that malleable. That person would always have to wonder if her next move would disqualify her from committed relationship status with you. You aren't willing to commit to anyone in marriage, it seems. Maybe many men do have the same attitude toward relationships that you do, i really dont know for sure anymore.

I think my approach will eliminate guys that just want a sex partner. Its nearly impossible to differentiate these men from ones that really like me. Not all are like this, its true. But they are very common, at least in my experience.
 
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