Does a woman's financial well being, profession, and wage matter to the men?


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owlman54 is offline owlman54 Post #41  November 20,2009, 4:08am
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A womans well being is more important than financial stability I would hope that wealth level of professionalism what a gal earns would be a bi-product of the aspect of one's well being.Money, does not define ones character.
 
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neardc wrote :
Why even bother to wait until the first meeting/date? Wouldn't it be even more efficient to just ask all of these questions as screeners to help decide whether to meet at all? Heck; include them in your profile so your matches can spend some time in advance preparing their paperwork for inspection. Think of all the time and trouble that would save!

Seriously, it really does seem to me that you should expect to be able to get through a first cup of coffee or meal without being asked to disclose all of your personal financial information. There are many reasons for why someone might not want to discuss this with a veritable stranger other than having "something to hide." Frankly, I'd be more wary of someone who wanted to spew out every manner of private information about himself at a first meeting (or first few meetings) than I would of someone who has a zone of privacy on these issues.
2 reasons:
on the internet, people lie
when you ask a question in person, much more can be learned not just by the answer by by the reaction (ie elusiveness) to the question. Remember, we are asking simple questions, not for 5 years tax returns. Unless there is a darn good reason (and plan), I would rather date (not that I ever have) someone who has herpes (acknowledges and treats for ) than someone with no (or incredibly menial) job, runaway credit cards and collectors calling (and yes, I have dated several of those).


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No seriously that does sound good! I am open in my profile about what I do even though that may have some negative connotations to some... I'm a nerd! If some woman doesn't want a nerd then don't waste my time!

A lady contacted me who was self employed. After a couple of e-mails I asked about her background, what is your background in scuba, is your family local, what field is your business in?

That killed that conversation! I wasn't asking for a financial statement or a copy of her tax return. Yeah? maybe she is a doctor and is to timid to answer that she is in the medical field. Yeah right!

Another profile I read... I am a nurse, I have two kids named xxx and xxx and her income is listed in the income field like mine is. I sent her an e-mail even though I was tempted to send her a marriage proposal. WHY? Because she makes good money? No!... because she didn't have anything to hide! It was SO REFRESHING to have someone be upfront that I forgot to look at her pictures before I sent her an e-mail. (She is attractive to boot!)

You don't have to answer ANY question you don't want to
. I have A LOT of respect for "I don't feel comfortable discussing that yet". If you are elusive about what you do or if you are even employed it was a complete waste of my time to even go out on a date with you!
Agree 100%!!!!!!!
It's funny that as I read this ("I dont feel comfortable...") first thing that came to mind was SEX. In other threads I have read how many people feel comfortable (or that it is expected) having sex within the first 2-3 dates. Hmmmm. OK to get physically naked (exposing yourself to all kinds of wonderful diseases) before you feel comfortable talking about finances and other factors which would SERIOUSLY effect viability of a long term relationship? Or are you going to talk about this stuff while you are ripping each other's clothes off?
 
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Yes, it matters. How you handle your finances is an accurate predictor of you handle your life in general. Plus people don't want to inherit financial problems.

I don't ask those questions outright, but on the first date or two I will use subtle techniques to get them answered.
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Monica1 wrote :
I happen to be renting currently and I have to mention I pay out the wazoo to live where I live because it's what I'm used to, it's home to us, and the schools are top notch. I just wanted to interject that just because someone is renting, it doesn't mean they are broke or can't afford their lifestyle. I know people with beautiful homes in very well to do areas whose mortgage payments are lower than my rent. I also know people of affluence who are broke and miserable because of the way they've conducted their lives or an ex taking them to the cleaners. Guess my point is that you cant judge a book by it's cover.
Sorry if I irritated anyone by inferring that renting is beneath owning a home. Most people, including myself, have rented, and in high-cost areas like San Francisco and New York, home ownership is in the minority, or home owners are house-rich and cash-poor. I agree that renting can be much less expensive than paying a mortgage, taxes and other expenses, depending on the neighborhood.

Asking about the neighborhood and gleaning info about renting/ owning, even asking about why some one lives there instead of elsewhere, tells volumes about their values, inerests, stability, mobility, priorities, etc. that are not just financially related.
 
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Monica1 wrote :
I happen to be renting currently and I have to mention I pay out the wazoo to live where I live because it's what I'm used to, it's home to us, and the schools are top notch. I just wanted to interject that just because someone is renting, it doesn't mean they are broke or can't afford their lifestyle. I know people with beautiful homes in very well to do areas whose mortgage payments are lower than my rent. I also know people of affluence who are broke and miserable because of the way they've conducted their lives or an ex taking them to the cleaners. Guess my point is that you cant judge a book by it's cover.
Correct that renting alone is not an indication of financial stability. However, as part of the general group of questions Shelby proposed it does give you a pretty good idea of a person's financial position. Couple that with their ability/willingness or reluctance to pay for meals and you'll get an idea of the information you are looking for.

It's got nothing to do with judging a book by its cover. The overall set of questions delves pretty deeply into the hear of the person's (financial) books.
 
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For those of you who do want to ask about finances early on ... what level of detail would satisfy you? I don't want to tell a stranger anything specific about my financial situation, but I understand they could have a reasonable need to know generally whether I'm a deadbeat, golddigger, massively behind in debt, etc. Would these kinds of answers satisfy you? or do you need exact numbers? or what?

"I live well within my means and tend to be a saver rather than a spender."
"I have always supported myself, without help."
"I don't do debt."
"I'm not cheap about important things."
"I do not expect a man to support me, and am unlikely to support a man."
"My income is enough to support a middle-class lifestyle."
"I am paying off a mortgage/big medical bills/my kids' college loans etc and have never made a late payment."
"My car is paid off."

I would be ok saying things at this level of detail, I guess.
 
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Here is a great article I found about topics to stay off of during a first meeting. There are exceptions to the rule but I'm glad there's an actual written article that confirms what I view to be taboo on a first meeting.
First Date Conversations to Avoid: Things Not to Say the First Time You Meet Someone New | Suite101.com
 
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You are really asking a couple of different questions here.

Asking the questions that you mentioned are totally inappropriate on a first date.

The profession, finacial status and wage does not matter in itself. However, these things relate to intellegence, drive and goals and likely to social background which would matter in making one compatible.
 
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Sassafras54 wrote :
For those of you who do want to ask about finances early on ... what level of detail would satisfy you? I don't want to tell a stranger anything specific about my financial situation, but I understand they could have a reasonable need to know generally whether I'm a deadbeat, golddigger, massively behind in debt, etc. Would these kinds of answers satisfy you? or do you need exact numbers? or what?

"I live well within my means and tend to be a saver rather than a spender."
"I have always supported myself, without help."
"I don't do debt."
"I'm not cheap about important things."
"I do not expect a man to support me, and am unlikely to support a man."
"My income is enough to support a middle-class lifestyle."
"I am paying off a mortgage/big medical bills/my kids' college loans etc and have never made a late payment."
"My car is paid off."

I would be ok saying things at this level of detail, I guess.
I view these answers as something that you would be giving to First Questions. In that vain they would be acceptable though some of them may drive off certain people.

Less intrusive questions can tell a lot about where someone is in the financial spectrum. Things like level of education / degree, occupation and if they are working in that field at the moment, how long they have been with their present company will give an idea of income. Where they live, what they drive, how they dress can tell a lot about the out go. If the out go seems to be higher than the in come then that is likely to equal debt.
 
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mikeinor wrote :
To be very blunt... On a first date if we aren't wondering about your financial situation and habits we are just sitting there wondering what it would be like to have sex with you.

If we are wondering about your financial situation and habits we are wondering what it would be like to have sex with you and only you for the rest of our lives.

This is a good point.

I think it's blunt (I am looking at her mind more than sex, which will come soon enough anyway), but your idea is right-on.

When I check her financial behaviour it means I have a longer-term interest.
 
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