A womans age

No credit cause I'm still here (can't move because of custody)... At least no one expects too much from me!!! The bar is set exceptionally low! Ha ha ha ha ha

I’ll admit that in real life when I actually got with a partner where I ended up paying most of the time she did indeed prove to be “traditional,” with the female performing the burdens of the traditional female role (cleaning and cooking in my house, with no asking on my part.)

Interestingly, these women had parents with the same idea: when I was in parents’ house, I ended up speaking with her father while she stayed with her mother (weird, but consistent.) There was a clear male hierarchy.

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This is a big issue, though: these women were very attuned to pleasing me (“is everything okay? Can I get you anything?”), and were not at all demanding (“Buy me that. Take me there.”)

Problems were: I still don’t get the 1950 style man / woman labor market outcome, so I can’t deal whether I want her or not; and these women were as boring as watching paint dry. I want the intellectual stimulation from my dating partners – it’s a big part of what I seek.

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I consider it a major distinction between a true traditional woman (subservient, supportive) and a greedy rent-seeker (demanding, whining, expecting), even though they may appear similar initially.

I am also naturally controlling, and I find myself being controlling with women. I don’t particularly like it, and independent, self-sufficient women help balance that attribute.

Or, from what I've heard maybe just a different bar. I had a friend from San Diego who told me he had to have < 10% body fat just to have an average build for a man there.

Oh come on Frog. I don't know how long you have been doing online dating, but I think it has been too long. Sounds like it is time to quit. Quit with me (or Trixie if you prefer. She's cooler than me ). Online dating makes me think men only want women who are more attractive, thinner, more sophisticated and dumber and most importantly youngerthan I. But I refuse to believe either of our perceptions are true about the real world.

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I am frustrated to keep seeing women's profiles demanding his income be higher than hers.

(Combined with affirmative action and the customary demand that he subsidize her dating, this is infuriating.)

So I am in my late 20s and have really enjoyed the type of people I have been meeting so for on eH (granted there are a lot of duds to weed out). Most of the men I have met with are in the 33-38 age range, which is in line with the ages of most of my friends.

I'm trying to talk one of my girlfriends who is 38 into signing up. She is in great shape, sucessful, smart, funny, educated, etc, etc. Overall, she is mature but does not look or act her age (she could pass for 31-32ish easily).

Last night one of the men we were out with who has also enjoyed being on eH was telling her to sign up but say she was 5 years younger than she really is. He is a doctor and in his mid 40s if that matters.

She wants to date more, but wont sign up for eH because she doesnt want to lie about her age and her friends who are 38-40, but also are like her in that they look and act younger have had little luck on eH. She says that men discount women in her age range even if there are great pictures and a good profile.

What should I tell her? Ladies would you lie about your age? Men, what would you do if you met a beautiful, smart, funny, established woman and found out later that she took 5 years off of her age on her profile? Also, men who are in their late 30s early 40s, would you pass over someone who was 38 if you still wanted to have kids?

Using online dating as a man, you come away with the conclusion women want money more than anything, they want much older men (with money), they do not consider men making less money than they do, they do not consider men with less-prestigious occupational titles or lesser educational attainment (for bachelor’s degreed women; post-graduates are more willing to consider BS-only men), and they demand he be of greater height (often stated as her height “in heels.”)
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I am frustrated to keep seeing women's profiles demanding his income be higher than hers.

(Combined with affirmative action and the customary demand that he subsidize her dating, this is infuriating.)