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Shoop, you might not realize what librarians do...they don't just stand there and scan your books. They make decisions about what to put library resources into, they help people do research, they foster childrens' and adults' desire to learn, they sponsor art exhibits, speakers, forums, community groups etc., they create and maintain an environment that encourages people to grow. Becoming a head librarian is like becoming a CEO -- many library budgets are pretty big and the organizations are big.

And that's just public libraries. Specialized or private librarians maintain the historical record of an organization and foster its workings.

Hooray for librarians! I love them.
all that sounds horribly unfufilling and unambitious.

seriously though if ambition is to move up the ranks of any business than where would people who own their own businesses go next? do they stop being ambitious?

people can grow in their position laterally as well.
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I like this, it's like a wish list thread.

I'm 41 and live alone in my own place. No kids and now too late to start. I'd say instinctively I'm not that traditional about gender roles but I'm fiercely independent, have always had to be and now prefer to know that I'm relying on my own resources.

When dating I'd like some moderate persuing and protecting. I want to know that a man had it in him to look out for me and try to stop bad things happening. Also if he's keen on me then I'd like him to say it and show it. I'd like all of this traditional "manliness" to stop short of making me feel, in any way, pushed around or too uprooted. I don't want to feel like I've got to fight for my independence.

In a live in relationship I don't mind who does what. I'd expect to be with someone who's current domestic set up is like mine and is used to doing everything for himself (paying the bills, cooking & cleaning, laundry ect). I think I'd be entirely happy if we both picked the things we didn't mind doing and then divided fairly the things we both hated. Except for spiders. He must kill the spiders. If he is scared of spiders we will have to hire a cleaner to do it for us.

I'm looking for a man in the mold of my Dad. He is undeniably a man and has raised my sister and myself to be very realistic about the potential and limits of that role but at the same time he has never allowed us to princess it up or expected us to settle for less because we're women.

He has supported and encouraged us and our Mum in all that we have done and although the way my parents share out the domestic chores wouldn't suit me, the way they have respected each other as people seems way more important than gender roles.
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shoopthedoop wrote :
A desire for personal achievement.

Attaining the education for becoming a librarian is a noteworthy goal, but no desire to move up from that position over the course of a career wouldn't be.
So how do you define personal achievement?
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So how do you define personal achievement?
By becoming more fully human and fully alive and who I was created to be...by becoming more in touch, integrating, and balancing my feminine and masculine energy... as each moment we are given an opportunity to become more loving, accepting, forgiving, compassionate, and empathetic of myself and others, especially those aspects I 'reject.' Simple....but not easy...since I have much WORK to do.
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scarlet13 wrote :
all that sounds horribly unfufilling and unambitious.

seriously though if ambition is to move up the ranks of any business than where would people who own their own businesses go next? do they stop being ambitious?

people can grow in their position laterally as well.
I could see the job of being a librarian being fulfilling, but not very ambitious.

Where do people who own their own businesses go next? Seriously? They are engaged in constant efforts to grow their business. Ask any business owner and that's what they will tell you the ambitious business owner's plan is.

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So how do you define personal achievement?
DoA, I have no problems answering a question. If want to debate my answer that's fine. If you want to ask another question without regard to my first answer ... well have fun. Maybe you're seeing me in that unequal teacher-student power relationship.
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I could see the job of being a librarian being fulfilling, but not very ambitious.

Where do people who own their own businesses go next? Seriously? They are engaged in constant efforts to grow their business. Ask any business owner and that's what they will tell you the ambitious business owner's plan is.
that's my point. can't an employee of that business be ambitious without getting promoted? sure, you can learn how to do other's jobs, take on more responsibility, simply be better at your job.
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I like this, it's like a wish list thread.

I'm 41 and live alone in my own place. No kids and now too late to start. I'd say instinctively I'm not that traditional about gender roles but I'm fiercely independent, have always had to be and now prefer to know that I'm relying on my own resources.

When dating I'd like some moderate persuing and protecting. I want to know that a man had it in him to look out for me and try to stop bad things happening. Also if he's keen on me then I'd like him to say it and show it. I'd like all of this traditional "manliness" to stop short of making me feel, in any way, pushed around or too uprooted. I don't want to feel like I've got to fight for my independence.

In a live in relationship I don't mind who does what. I'd expect to be with someone who's current domestic set up is like mine and is used to doing everything for himself (paying the bills, cooking & cleaning, laundry ect). I think I'd be entirely happy if we both picked the things we didn't mind doing and then divided fairly the things we both hated. Except for spiders. He must kill the spiders. If he is scared of spiders we will have to hire a cleaner to do it for us.

I'm looking for a man in the mold of my Dad. He is undeniably a man and has raised my sister and myself to be very realistic about the potential and limits of that role but at the same time he has never allowed us to princess it up or expected us to settle for less because we're women.

He has supported and encouraged us and our Mum in all that we have done and although the way my parents share out the domestic chores wouldn't suit me, the way they have respected each other as people seems way more important than gender roles.
This sounds a lot like how I feel about it, Trixie. I've been single a long time, though, and I'm kind of unsure if I really want that to change.

I am a journalist and like being able to come and go as I please, otoh, it would be nice to share some of my adventures with someone.

I'm on the fence. *sigh*
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that's my point. can't an employee of that business be ambitious without getting promoted? sure, you can learn how to do other's jobs, take on more responsibility, simply be better at your job.
By doing all three of those things you are being ambitious. Why would you want to do those things and not get rewarded for it? If you felt you didn't want to be rewarded for clearly going above and beyond, then you would be a unique human indeed.

That doesn't mean you have to campaign for a promotion. But an employee who does what you mentioned above will be recognized and rewarded by a good boss.
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Personally I wouldn't see becoming a librarian as an ambitious goal. If you wanted to be the head of a library that is something different. Maybe it's just a matter of definition. What about being a librarian would you see as ambitious?
There are varying degrees of library work. I have been climbing to greater responsibility with each job that I have undertaken since my first job, and I haven't even become a librarian yet. Likewise there are different levels of librarianship to aspire to. We do more than shelve books by the way.

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Yup. I did a little deep breathing exercises before answering.

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shoopthedoop wrote :
A desire for personal achievement.

Attaining the education for becoming a librarian is a noteworthy goal, but no desire to move up from that position over the course of a career wouldn't be.
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I could see the job of being a librarian being fulfilling, but not very ambitious.
From what I read above, it sounds like you think a librarian is not ambitious, but being a library director is? Why? Simply because the library director has reached the apex of their particular ladder? Would not this mean that anyone who did not desire to be the CEO of their company was a slacker, as well? I would also point out that the amount of responsibility that the librarians in my university library carry far excels the responsibility of the director of the small public library where I started my career. Was she somehow more ambitious than they?

In my experience, library directors of larger libraries must give up their passion for librarianship. They become administrators. I have no aspirations of becoming an administrator, so I suppose I am a slacker. I admit, creating budgets and long range plans, attending meetings, managing the petty grievances of personnel and delegating library work to others are not the kind of responsibilities that drew me to librarianship.

I don't know what your definition of personal achievement is, but I consider each day that my abilities are challenged to help someone a personal achievement. I find exciting and challenging each time I find the answer to a question it never occurred to me to ask & on a topic of which I know little. Every time I find the right book that makes a kid excited to read or inspires in them the desire to learn. I feel like I have acoomplished something whenever I teach someone who is a computer illiterate how to use a computer and use it write papers, job resumes and do research on the internet using reputable and reliable sources. I love to learn and I find great personal satisfaction in promoting that same love in others and assisting them in discovering more about the world that interests them. This may not result in much in the way of financial reward, but for me, it is very rewarding.

If that measure of personal achievement is insufficient for you, than I can just say that it is good that you did not become a librarian.
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