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Hey Mark, the random chances are remote...unless you are like someone like Saul that just goes for it.

For me, speaking as a woman, even if the man was interesting to me - I would not go out with a random stranger...unless there was just something about him (see above comment).

So I really think your best bet is to join a group, team or class - this way you are going to something that isn't random anymore...you can talk a little bit with the person you are interested in and they can develop some sort of rapport with you...then ask them out.

I really think that is your best strategy for finding women out in the real world if you don't have much other interaction with them besides random grocery shopping moments.

And the other good thing about joining a team/club/class (besides the obvious)...you will meet people (male and female). And they know people...so you may open up another avenue of finding a woman for you.
- October 11th, 2009, 12:12 pm
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The best place I guess to meet people who want to be social is in social situations
- October 11th, 2009, 12:31 pm
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- October 11th, 2009, 12:32 pm
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Duplicate what? So is this how we ended up with 4-cheek vampire butts? The cheeks got duplicated?

Man, you really have to watch some people around here VERY closely!
- October 11th, 2009, 12:52 pm
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Jacquesne wrote :
Hey, now, have your friends tell Danny Carey (drummer for Tool) or Joey Jordison (drummer for Slipknot) that drumming doesn't require musical talent. I wanted to choose an instrument that didn't induce arthritis...I'm already going to get it from computers I don't need extra grief from the guitar.

As others have mentioned for being open it's all about eye contact and a smile. Furthermore it helps to be in an approachable situation. If you're in a big group of your girlfriends few guys are going to come over. It's bad enough getting rejected by one girl but to get rejected in front of all your friends too? He'd have to have cojones of steel or a crap ton of alcohol. Move away from the herd if you want the hunters to approach =).

And if you're with guy friends you are even more unlikely to be approached by most guys. Some girl you see across the bar is rarely worth a potential fight and even guys who are "just friends" are likely to be very protective. I know I am...it's probably instinctual but I don't know.

Smiling and eye contact are great but make sure you're not standing in a minefield when you give the signal =).

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I have this problem all the time. If I am out with a group of friends I rarely get noticed by males. Why? I would not say it is because I am horridly ugly, or unapproachable, but I am the puppy in the litter that doesn't jump all over a guy to get attention. If I were on the "Bachelorette" I would probably get booted off the 1st or 2nd show, simply because I am non-competative with other women. I do not demand that I have the spotlight in a situation. I am not shy, but I not the girl dancing on the table either.

Guys... take notice of the girl that is not nessesarily putting on the one person song and dance routine to get your attention. She may be the girl that is the nicest in the room and would love to meet you, but won't send up flares in the sky to be found.

I know it's not good that in a room full of competition I am the first to back off and hand the prize to someone else, but I am super non-competative, it is not in my nature. That's why I do not play sports, I would be like "Lets all get a prize and share it!" ( I don't think I would share my "prize man,") but my point is that sometimes I am approachable, but am not approached, because, another girl is putting our fliers, has a neon sign, and a fireworks display to announce her appoachabilty and all I got is an add in the penny saver.

Case and point, I went out last night and started chatting up a nice guy, for all of maybe twenty seconds, he was smiling and seemed interested, next thing you know another female joins in the conversation, piggy backs offa what I just said, and she takes over the conversation. I am left standing there like a dumbass. I think you guys have a certain term for this, having to do with roosters and blocking moves. No I am not bitter, (ok maybe a little.) But here I was wanting to get met, even made some effort and the it was all futile because this girl swooped in and stole my thunder. Arggg...
- October 11th, 2009, 01:39 pm
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Haha, I'm sorry about that grin, it is pretty bad. I've actually noticed, however, that men tend to be more cooperative in their efforts to pick up girls that women are. Perhaps women would be more successful if they'd stop seeing it as such a competition. This is why "wingmen" are pretty common but you don't often see the female equivalent. If anything women are all about preventing their friends from having any fun .

Yeah, I get the whole "what if he's a serial killer?" mentality but it's honestly not that realistic. Here's some interesting statistics...73% of sexual assault victims know their attacker. 38% of perpetrators are friends or acquaintances of the victim. Over 50% of cases of sexual assault happen within a mile of the victim's home. 4 out of 10 cases are in the victim's home and 2 out of 10 are in the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative. A stranger is not really any more dangerous than guys you already know.

Well, now that I've convinced all the ladies to never leave their house (although 40% of the time that might not help), let's talk about something a bit lighter =). Chicks should seriously consider helping each other out more but that's just my opinion. For whatever reason they tend to start liking a guy almost because her friend likes him. I've been on the receiving end of this and it's rather unpleasant to deal with.

grin, what I meant about "get away from the group" wasn't that you have to go find guys to talk to. It's much simpler than that. Just physically move to another location. If you make eye contact with a guy and then move to a different table or go stand next to the bar or otherwise relocate yourself somewhere other than where your friends are if he's interested that's when he's going to make his move. Hopefully your friends will be looking around for guys other than the one you're interested in or have enough sense (and loyalty) to not get in the way.

If you're within the herd, however, no matter how interested a guy is in you he's not going to come over there. I've even told my buddies "Man, I'd love to go talk to that girl in white over there but she won't move away from all her girlfriends...they're probably just here for a girl's night out and have boyfriends at home. Too bad." Because if you don't look available we're going to assume you're taken. And (*cough* unlike many women *cough*) guys tend to avoid taken women out of courtesy for the other guy. We wouldn't want some other dude taking a pass at our girl and so we tend to try and give other guys the same peace of mind. This is in general; it doesn't always work out that way.

Speaking of wingmen the whole point is to separate a girl from her friend so you get an opportunity to talk to her alone. So if you're in a group greater than two don't expect much attention from guys. We know your friend is there to sabotage us and plan accordingly. You can use the same knowledge to your advantage if you want.

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- October 11th, 2009, 07:54 pm
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I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me where I would go to meet him. ; )
- October 11th, 2009, 08:06 pm
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Haha, I'm sorry about that grin, it is pretty bad. I've actually noticed, however, that men tend to be more cooperative in their efforts to pick up girls that women are. Perhaps women would be more successful if they'd stop seeing it as such a competition. This is why "wingmen" are pretty common but you don't often see the female equivalent. If anything women are all about preventing their friends from having any fun .

Yeah, I get the whole "what if he's a serial killer?" mentality but it's honestly not that realistic. Here's some interesting statistics...73% of sexual assault victims know their attacker. 38% of perpetrators are friends or acquaintances of the victim. Over 50% of cases of sexual assault happen within a mile of the victim's home. 4 out of 10 cases are in the victim's home and 2 out of 10 are in the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative. A stranger is not really any more dangerous than guys you already know.

Well, now that I've convinced all the ladies to never leave their house (although 40% of the time that might not help), let's talk about something a bit lighter =). Chicks should seriously consider helping each other out more but that's just my opinion. For whatever reason they tend to start liking a guy almost because her friend likes him. I've been on the receiving end of this and it's rather unpleasant to deal with.

grin, what I meant about "get away from the group" wasn't that you have to go find guys to talk to. It's much simpler than that. Just physically move to another location. If you make eye contact with a guy and then move to a different table or go stand next to the bar or otherwise relocate yourself somewhere other than where your friends are if he's interested that's when he's going to make his move. Hopefully your friends will be looking around for guys other than the one you're interested in or have enough sense (and loyalty) to not get in the way.

If you're within the herd, however, no matter how interested a guy is in you he's not going to come over there. I've even told my buddies "Man, I'd love to go talk to that girl in white over there but she won't move away from all her girlfriends...they're probably just here for a girl's night out and have boyfriends at home. Too bad." Because if you don't look available we're going to assume you're taken. And (*cough* unlike many women *cough*) guys tend to avoid taken women out of courtesy for the other guy. We wouldn't want some other dude taking a pass at our girl and so we tend to try and give other guys the same peace of mind. This is in general; it doesn't always work out that way.

Speaking of wingmen the whole point is to separate a girl from her friend so you get an opportunity to talk to her alone. So if you're in a group greater than two don't expect much attention from guys. We know your friend is there to sabotage us and plan accordingly. You can use the same knowledge to your advantage if you want.

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Yeah women can be bad about that, for the most part I have completley differant tast in men than my friends, so I need not steal their men, and that is not my style.

I know that the serial killer stats are low, but I think that violence toward women from men can make a women less friendly toward a stranger approaching her. Other than that I don't understand being cold towards a stranger, because that is all the goes through my head if a man I don't know wants to talk to me and I give him the cold shoulder. I have been appraoched by men I have completly no interest in and I have told them nicely that I am not interested, but I also am polite about it. If a guy was just chatting with me I would not be rude and ignore him, but my guard is still up.

I agree that women should not compete with each other and "CB" ( you know what I'm talking about,) but again the safety thing comes up. To bring up last night again, one of the girls got completly drunk, was having a good time with one of our guy friends, all was fine and dandy. The end of the night came, and the guy friend goes his separate way, and this totally trashed girl somehow manages to meet a guy from the exit of the bar (not more than 500 feet,) to the car (which I was driving,) and they are walking hand in hand, and she starts to get into his car. Well the girl posse rounded up and got her the hell outa that car. We told the guy that he can have her number, but he ain't taking her in that car. He was gentlemanly about it, and he is most likely not a bad guy, but I would find that a small comfort if I let my friend go off in that car and she is never seen again, and the rest of us have no idea who in the world the guy was,,,describing his name as "bar guy" to the police wouldn't cut it.
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how does the fact that most women are hurt by people they know mean a woman should be less careful about strangers approaching her? Those people who know her were strangers at one time ... until she let them in.
- October 11th, 2009, 08:27 pm
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I have this problem all the time. If I am out with a group of friends I rarely get noticed by males. Why? I would not say it is because I am horridly ugly, or unapproachable, but I am the puppy in the litter that doesn't jump all over a guy to get attention. If I were on the "Bachelorette" I would probably get booted off the 1st or 2nd show, simply because I am non-competative with other women. I do not demand that I have the spotlight in a situation. I am not shy, but I not the girl dancing on the table either.

Guys... take notice of the girl that is not nessesarily putting on the one person song and dance routine to get your attention. She may be the girl that is the nicest in the room and would love to meet you, but won't send up flares in the sky to be found.

I know it's not good that in a room full of competition I am the first to back off and hand the prize to someone else, but I am super non-competative, it is not in my nature. That's why I do not play sports, I would be like "Lets all get a prize and share it!" ( I don't think I would share my "prize man,") but my point is that sometimes I am approachable, but am not approached, because, another girl is putting our fliers, has a neon sign, and a fireworks display to announce her appoachabilty and all I got is an add in the penny saver.

Case and point, I went out last night and started chatting up a nice guy, for all of maybe twenty seconds, he was smiling and seemed interested, next thing you know another female joins in the conversation, piggy backs offa what I just said, and she takes over the conversation. I am left standing there like a dumbass. I think you guys have a certain term for this, having to do with roosters and blocking moves. No I am not bitter, (ok maybe a little.) But here I was wanting to get met, even made some effort and the it was all futile because this girl swooped in and stole my thunder. Arggg...
You may be right about many men being more interested in the 'takeover' women, but hang in there...all men aren't. A counterexample to your example...a few weeks ago I went to talk with a table of 6 women who were out together. There was one 'alpha female' who kept trying to get me to buy them all a drink, had to keep giving her input regarding what I was talking with them about etc., but she was definitely not who I would have been interested in from that group. Even in a bar....I'm a sucker for a woman who is 'sweet' looking and acting.
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