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TravelBarbie wrote :
Oh...don't get me started on this one!!!

It is my personal theory, that guys who say "my child comes first"...are desperately trying to convince you...but more frighteningly THEMSELVES that this is true. It has been my experience that when they have to tell you what a fab devoted Dad they are...well its usually NOT true!!! And therefore statements like this bugs me on 2 levels...1st, because its not true, and second because if it was true, then why would you want to inform potential partners that they will always be second in your life???? Obviously children are a major priority...but you don't need to tell people that.

I think that there are certain things that people don't need to broadcast to the world (yes even when internet dating)....and the ones that do makes statements like "my child will always come first," are frauds!!! If you gotta tell people how great you are in certain areas (beyond how funny and crazy and cute you are etc) --then its my theory that its NOT TRUE. Deep things, like how much you value loved ones, is the kind of stuff people who are secure in their goodness, will let you discover about them on your own as you see how they act.....they won't tell you those things
You saved me the trouble Barbie! Every man I've known (even my own dad!) who's ever made that declaration turned out to have a dysfunctional relationship with his children.
- September 24th, 2009, 02:02 pm
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Tinderbox wrote :
Widowhood is a different situation, because the children don't have to live through the acrimony of a divorce and the effective abandonment by one parent, court-imposed living and visitation arrangements, etc.
Ahh, but it is oftend jus as hard if not harder, jus because the parent didnt have a choice in stayin or leavin dont make the abandonment issues any easier or better for the children involved. Instead of the acrimony of divorce, we have to watch our parent die, sit through the funeral arrangments, an sadness that follows.

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Instead of going out carousing around, your mother decided to make her priority being there for you. For that she should be commended.
Oh yea instead of carousing around, my mother decided to stay home an be depressed, when she wasnt working 10hrs a day, an it wasnt so much as be there for me or my brothers as much as it was being so wrapped up in her own greif over my father, that my brothers decided to never be home, since they were old enough to do what they wanted pretty much, and I was left to make sure the bills got paid, that momma got food in her tummy, an that she didnt cry too much, pretty much entertain her an keep her mind from the loss we both had to endure for the 6 yrs it took her to get past the hard part an start to actually move on with her life. My mother was only 37 when my daddy died. Still pretty young in my opinion.
Oh yea, divorce woulda been so much harder to deal with than that.

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I do wonder, however, whether it's better to remain a single mother who has to work full time after a divorce, or remarry if it means she could then be a stay-at-home mom. Any situation has to be judged on the basis of what is best for the minor children (which is not the same as what the minor children want).
LOL No two situations are the same, death is a whole other deal than divorce, I agree, but I dont believe that parents being divorced where as the children do still get to see both parents, however not in the same house anymore, is any worse than the death of a parent.

Being a single parent is hard enough on the parent without havin to be told they shouldnt bother dating until the children are grown, In this day an age it takes two full time incomes to raise children. Its not always the single parents choice of how they got single in the first place.

I'm jus tryin to convey my expirence to you in a way that will help give light unto the fact that not all single parents carouse around, an not all single parents can be there for their child if they have to work their tush off to support the remainder of the family, because I dont know how it works where you live, be round these parts, jus cause the judge tells dear daddy to pay child support dont mean that dear ol dad will be payin child support.
Life is Hard for most all people, why make it harder?
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- September 24th, 2009, 03:18 pm
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Mangosteen wrote :
If you think this is bad, what about "my work will always come first"

I am this way, though I know better than to put it in a profile.

I think this is very different, and (generally) understandable and acceptable. Saying “my child is more important than a relationship partner” is shortchanging the partner, inappropriately indulging the child, and not in fact good for the child, insofar as it delays the period before bringing a stable new relationship together, and appears likely to result in lower-quality partners. Since stable relationships are in fact better for children, concepts which reduce their likelihood are thus worse for children. This is a big part of why I object to the statement CP30 quoted.

Work, however, is only shortchanged at high risk – and reduced labor market outcome is highly damaging to dating / relationship success. And for men, displaying a lack of excess contribution in the workplace is usually met with curtained career progression.

I found in my experience, that no amount of work time damaged my relationships at all. In fact, longer hours, if anything, got me better dating results.
- September 24th, 2009, 03:45 pm
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It's not often I get to use my 'professional' advice for anything actually useful but speaking as an elementary teacher I'd like to tell you how right sqg123 is.

Children who know, for a fact, that they always come first are absolutely vile. Absolutely vile.

CP do not date this man. He is probably living with a little person who, as a result of his self absorbed parenting, may for all practical purposes resemble the spawn of satan.

- September 24th, 2009, 03:47 pm
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Mary92669 wrote :
This is a bit off topic but it relates to eharmony and being a mother. Is it true that when men say "maybe" to the question "wants children" that they actually mean no? I have been closing all profiles that don't say "yes" to wanting children because I already have a daughter and would like more children. Do you think this is the right thing to do? I wish there was a reason that addressed this on the closed match reason page so that men knew why they were getting closed. The reason "other" doesn't really cut it. Any insight from men on the "maybe" versus "yes" answer would be greatly appreciated. When you say "maybe" you want kids, what does that mean exactly???
Mary....this question has been discussed and the consensus seems to be.....that there is no consensus. Different people mean entirely different things with a 'maybe' to this question. Best bet is just to ask each individual.
- September 24th, 2009, 03:53 pm
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Tinderbox wrote :
Single parents with minor children shouldn't be dating anyway.

I believe you will find that children raised in “blended families” – remarried parents – have better outcomes than children whose parents do not remarry. Concordantly, your view is incorrect.

What is most damaging is a succession of non-committal partners – NOT dating and reestablishing a stable relationship.
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trixie1868 wrote :
It's not often I get to use my 'professional' advice for anything actually useful but speaking as an elementary teacher I'd like to tell you how right sqg123 is.

Children who know, for a fact, that they always come first are absolutely vile. Absolutely vile.

CP do not date this man. He is probably living with a little person who, as a result of his self absorbed parenting, may for all practical purposes resemble the spawn of satan.

Yes....but then again, I resemble the spawn of Satan and I wasn't spoiled.
- September 24th, 2009, 03:54 pm
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jayjay wrote :
Yes....but then again, I resemble the spawn of Satan and I wasn't spoiled.

I'd still advise CP to avoid dating you or your Dad!
- September 24th, 2009, 04:53 pm
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grinxtdr, I am exceedingly careful whom I choose to introduce to my kids. If, however, the relationship progressed to the point that she were joining us for dinner, I would, and have, shut down rude and disprespectful behavior very quickly. My kids have respected the very few women who I have introduced to them. I had one girlfriend that my kids did not like, and they didn't even tell me that they didn't care for her much until after we broke up.
That's great Rocchio, I commend you for that, and I am sure any future women in your life will appreciate you for that as well. As for me, I do not mean to offend. I am mature enough to know, that I am too immature at this point to deal with all the serious issues that come up with step children. I am still very selfish and want to be 1st in a mans life. When I have children I will put my selfishness on the shelve, but I want the first couple of years in a relationship to be about me and my man and getting to know him. If there are children involved the "Let's go to the bahamas this summer," idea is no longer carefree. You have to take the kids into consideration, ie: should they come, will they feel left out if we leave them...so and so forth. Of course this is a silly example, but it is reality. Every decision has to revolve around the kids, every decision, has to take their best interests into consideration, and any good step-mom should be realizing this.
I realize this and that is why I know I am not ready to be a step mom...and since I am looking for a serious long term relationship (marriage,) men with children are not on my radar...its better for all parties involved, if I own up to my true feelings. I know that I may be missing out on some truly great guys, but it is unfair for him and his children to be thinking this way.
- September 24th, 2009, 06:00 pm
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As a single dad I have to weigh in on this one. I have been a single dad of 4 going on 10 years now. I'm used to sacrificing all kinds of things and putting them first in a lot of areas.

But there is NO WAY I'd ever tell a potential partner that my children would always come first when it came to factoring in a potential marriage relationship. As a Christian I will go even further and say it is not only unhealthy but against my understanding of Biblical teaching on the family. It doesn't matter if it is the original mom or your spouse from a 2nd marriage, the adult marital relationship comes first.

Now I'll echo what others have said about it being a different kind of relationship and there does not have to really be a hard and fast ranking system involved here. What I believe is most important is that the adults make sure their relationship is solid and continuously nurtured so that the love between them is filtered down to the children. I believe this provides a feeling of security for the kids.

When it comes to practical matters relationships are about compromise, and that would be even more true of a blended family. If both have kids then they'll need to compromise and work out which events they might go to if things are held on the same evening. Likewise if there was a situation where there was something very important happening with one of the children and at the same time there was something significant going on with the spouse on that same evening then you'd have to talk it through with everyone (children included) and come to a consensus. These situations would be rare though, and as long as there is good communication between all then it shouldn't be a problem.

If I see the line "my children will always come first" in a profile or in any way said or hinted then it is an immediate deal-breaker.

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