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cp30 wrote :
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I'd like to report that a nice match just emailed me today. He has a daugther, included a cute photo of her with kittens (yes, a bit questionable to have your kid's photo on a dating site, but she looked very cute and sweet). And all I can remember about his profile now is that it made me laugh out loud (that's rare) and I think he mentioned something about his daugther and divorce but it wasn't in any way hostile or off putting. And he was just really funny AND he announced that he drives a mazda3.

Winner!
It's always refreshing to find nice & balanced The picture shows his daughter is a priority but not his only one....I'm excited for you! Go get him tigress
- September 25th, 2009, 05:18 pm
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Wow, 11 pages, and no guy snuck in with an obvious statement...

cp30, now you know what us guys have to deal with daily on EH or any other dating site.

Being that the Mother generally is the one with the custodial rights, (rightly or wrongly), us guys get Matches like this every day.

Either they state it just like your Match did, or its pretty much implied:

"My kid(s) will always be #1. You never ever will be #1. Period."

And thats the problem that a lot of us guys with no kids yet have to debate internally.

Do I want to get involved with someone, and no matter how well things go, that I will never ever be able to get to #1, or at least share #1 with the kids?

Or instead, should I pursue a Match with no kids, knowing that if things go well, I will be #1, and if/when kids arrive in the picture, share #1?

Its a problem I wrestle with, every time I get a really good Match that has kid(s).
- September 25th, 2009, 09:55 pm
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When you get married then your spouse should come first, but it is difficult to do this in most second marriages as your child is blood related. Being a step parent is a difficult thing to do and I admire anyone who can pull it off and do it well.

"I disagree that blended families are better in every case than a single parent who focuses only on raising the existing children as best they can without daycare. Staying at home or working nights, having mom and dad babysit or even moving back in with them. If they're kind then grandpa or grandma would be a better father/mother figure than a step-parent would be anyway (particularly a step-parent with pre-existing kids), and MUCH better than a random or live-in boyfriend/girlfriend would be."

Blended families are a recipe for disaster. I can't tell you how many times I have heard about boy and girl interactions from blended families because there are no blood related taboo's in a blended family. It happened in my family (I was not living at home at the time and was in college), when my youngest brother was found in bed with my step sister. It happened to friends of mine (and clients) whose grand daughter was raped by her mom's boyfriend's son (she was 11 years old and the damage was horrendous).
- September 25th, 2009, 10:13 pm
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My feeling is that if you are a single parent that feels your children should come before your spouse in a future marriage then you don't need to be thinking about getting married. Sure date and enjoy building friendships, but wait until you're children are grown, out of the house, and you get to a point where you feel you can put your spouse first.

This isn't meant to be judgmental. It might be better in a lot of situations for single parents to do just this. I've been a single parent for almost 10 years, and I honestly would have thought I'd be remarried by now. But as I look back I realize that for different reasons either myself, or the family situation or both just weren't ready for a new relationship to come into our lives. My belief is that when it is the right time I'll meet the right person. If that timing happens to be when most if not all of the children are out on their own then so be it, and I'll accept that this was what was best for our situation.

On the other hand if I were to meet someone then we'd need to make sure going in that everyone (me, her, my kids, hers if she has any) all sit down and talk through what all of this is going to mean in terms of changes and deal with potential issues as much ahead of time as possible. I have the benefit of having been in adolescent counseling for 7 years so if there are any issues with kids then I pick up on something like that very quickly.

I would agree that blending families is very tough, and if I ever am a part of that then I would approach it with my eyes wide open going in understanding the challenges.
- September 25th, 2009, 10:47 pm
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I'd also add that I agree with some of the comments that when children sense parents are going to put them first no matter what then this can lead to manipulation on the part of the children. Some of them know exactly how to play this to their advantage.

Another thing to consider is sometimes in these situations the children are still going to be coming first even after they are out of the home and even married. So if someone goes into a relationship thinking they'll have take a backseat until the kids get in college then they may be in for a rude awakening when 10 years down the road they're still in the backseat.
- September 25th, 2009, 10:51 pm
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tweet37 wrote :
Nothing is wrong with putting your kids first...it goes without saying. I got a lot women who mention their kids as one of the 'Can't live without' items. I think it's a bit lame to emphasize it in one's profile but a lot of people do it so I guess it's 'normal'.

Edit: To answer the question, what does it hurt to check the guy out as long as the rest of his profile is OK?
When you are presenting yourself for a possible social encounter you should be able to stand on your own merit's and not hide behind your family. It shows a lack of social skills that one can not be a stand alone date. There is a time and place for everything. It is not normal for a dating site to turn off a potential dates, by telling him that he will always be the 2nd. banana! It smashes the thought of intimacy of their date.

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- September 25th, 2009, 11:36 pm
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ScottK wrote :
cp30, now you know what us guys have to deal with daily on EH or any other dating site.

Being that the Mother generally is the one with the custodial rights, (rightly or wrongly), us guys get Matches like this every day.

Either they state it just like your Match did, or its pretty much implied:

"My kid(s) will always be #1. You never ever will be #1. Period."

And thats the problem that a lot of us guys with no kids yet have to debate internally.

Do I want to get involved with someone, and no matter how well things go, that I will never ever be able to get to #1, or at least share #1 with the kids?

Or instead, should I pursue a Match with no kids, knowing that if things go well, I will be #1, and if/when kids arrive in the picture, share #1?

Its a problem I wrestle with, every time I get a really good Match that has kid(s).
Yes....the issue of whether to get involved with a woman who has previous children is a big issue for me and men I know, especially as a lot of women in my area have kids early. I've also heard from other men how, even when they got along well with a woman's child early in the relationship when the kid was young, after the kid gets a few years older problems would develop.

For example, a man who tried doing simple things like having his wife's prior child do a few simple chores around the house, tried to deal with the child's obesity etc. and the child would get all 'you're not my father'...with the mother then taking the child's side etc. At the same time....the woman and child were all for the man acting 'like the father' when it comes time to paying for things for the child....but not when it came to anything that might not be as pleasant. Personally, I'd just be really, really hesitant to get involved with a woman who already has a child.
- September 26th, 2009, 07:35 am
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It would take someone very, very special to make me want to raise another man's family. I could only imagine entering into such a relationship with someone I already knew and had a history with. I really doubt I would get involved in a eH relationship where this was the case.
- September 26th, 2009, 01:01 pm
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jayjay wrote :
...the woman and child were all for the man acting 'like the father' when it comes time to paying for things for the child....but not when it came to anything that might not be as pleasant.

Yep.
- September 26th, 2009, 01:30 pm
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I don't have strong feelings either way about him having children or not. Especially if it is only one. It's his attitude and maturity I will be measuring.

I have a brother whose actions I did not approve of after his divorce, and he has a child. I know the way he acted and what he was going through and how he blindly entered into new relationships without ever taking his own emotional health into account and doing damage to other women, and his son. And me. He was so incredibly needy and he took advantage of my parents too. I'm 4 years younger than my brother and was still working my way through school. I had to move out of my parents house when I absolutley needed to stay there (it was only a summer), and we had an agreement that I stay there while finishing some of my commitments.

I was literally kicked out without the resources I needed and had to go into debt just to get by, while trying to finish school, research and some other comittments I was almost finished with. It was a critical time for me and it took me an extra year and a half to get off the ground because my brother was so irresponsible and my parents couldn't let my little nephew suffer.....so I had to leave so my brother could stay with my parents. My brother was also violent - another reason I had to leave. I was the only person who tried to talk sense into my brother (my parents were just banboozled because of my nephew and felt bad for my brother too, they never made him take responsibility for his divorce or his part in it -- it was all "her" fault, that evil woman).

When he was 30 and newly divorced he immediatly started dating an 18 year old with no experience. Within weeks that 18 year old as at our house for Christmas and buying my nephew presents. It truly disgusted me, the whole situation. They had horrible fights and it ended with restraining orders...yes. I know. I'm not proud of my brother but I did try to help and was rather supportive in the beginning.

He just got remarried, to another woman who I haven't met. I understand my parents like her (and they live in the same neighborhood -- since my brother can't seem to get too far from the nest still) but my reaction when hearing he was getting married was more....I feel sorry for her than happy for him. Of course I still resent him a bit too for displaying so much irresponsible behavior and poor decision making, selfishness, etc. He stole from my parents and he was doing drugs for awhile (in fact I believe this is why he went into nursing as a second career).

Anyway. All that said. If I detect this kind of recklessness in relationships I'll run.

But if he has a kid that in itself doesn't bother me unless I learn more and it's not okay. It's the attitude.

In some respects I think it could be a good thing. Who knows, what if I am not able to have children? Well, he already has one or two and won't have to depend on me!
- September 26th, 2009, 03:49 pm
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