Advice and Support from Thousands of Users Just Like You

Dating First-date jitters? Hoping for a second date? Moving on to a full blown relationship? Share your journey and advice here.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
OverAnalyzer's Avatar

OverAnalyzer is doing something completely different

Pacesetter

Join Date: Jul 2009

Posts: 261

See profile

jayjay wrote :
It probably isn't lying, per se (though that probably happens at times too)...but more like wanting to appear in a positive light. So...details are left out here and there, stories are spun etc. That, and they may not really have any idea about the issues that they are enacting in their lives...otherwise they'd be addressing them. I've found people to have an incredible power to rationalize and justify a vast array of bad behavior.
If a couple is on the same emotional level / maturity this may be a factual statement - not many want to bear the burden of causing the failure. With unevenly matched maturity or experience levels it simply may be they are truly the victim.

Just read back through some of these posts of those who are in controlling relationships - it's what they know and they don't even realize the unhealthiness of it until they start talking about it to the outside world. You get out of it by sheer will, which only comes after being at your definition of rock-bottom - your emotional or physical survival.

Forgiveness is freeing and liberating, allowing you to move ahead without glancing behind you. But at some level you have to deprogram, retrain yourself to not become snared in a different web of deceit. I believe that you cannot forgive or accept what someone else has done to you until you release yourself from it first.
- September 5th, 2009, 06:20 am
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#71   Reply With Quote
tumbleweed's Avatar

tumbleweed tomorrow is ?

Veteran

Join Date: Feb 2009

Posts: 1,094

See profile

javajava5 wrote :
For those who know Him, we are able to forgive others because God forgives us our sins.

JavaJava5
WOW! its the great javajava 5,,good to have you back,,,ive missed you coming to my rescue when i would get in a jam,,,its ok though as iv got these guys under control now[ha ha],,,excellent post,,and looking forward to seeing more,,,tumbleweed
- September 5th, 2009, 06:49 am
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#72   Reply With Quote
legend29's Avatar

legend29 is looking for a loophole....

Virtuoso

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 2,571

See profile

Jacquiem wrote :
I absolutely don't agree that the partner is "seldom an innocent, saintly victim." It almost sounds like you're suggesting that most people who post here who have been hurt must have done something to deserve being hurt. I must be misunderstanding you there, right?

Let's say there are some people posting who aren't being honest about their part in their troubles. I still believe that for every instance that this is true, there are just as many, if not more, posters who are being completely honest about the entirety of their situation. Especially when I see some of the longer, detailed posts. I just don't believe most people are lying about their hurts and their parts in the situation.

But even if some of them are, I don't think that has anything to do with forgiving the person who hurt you. Even if you actually did respond to the hurt by being vindictive, nasty, or passive-aggressive, it doesn't mean you don't have to forgive the person who hurt you. In fact, it means it's the best thing for you to do. Because the forgiveness is really for you, not the other person. Forgiving the person helps you let go of that passive-aggressiveness, nastiness, and vindictiveness toward them for what they did, if that's how you responded. You should apologize for your bad response (which can be harder than the forgiving), but you should absolutely forgive the hurt that caused it.
Great post.....and congrats new community leader!
- September 5th, 2009, 06:57 am
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#73   Reply With Quote
tumbleweed's Avatar

tumbleweed tomorrow is ?

Veteran

Join Date: Feb 2009

Posts: 1,094

See profile

jayjay wrote :
It probably isn't lying, per se (though that probably happens at times too)...but more like wanting to appear in a positive light. So...details are left out here and there, stories are spun etc. That, and they may not really have any idea about the issues that they are enacting in their lives...otherwise they'd be addressing them. I've found people to have an incredible power to rationalize and justify a vast array of bad behavior.
,,,,,:conf used:
- September 5th, 2009, 02:23 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#74   Reply With Quote
victoriesceret's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2009

Posts: 1

See profile

Forgivness has nothing to do with forgetting. It is an act of faith. and when you finally do it is great and you know you are in the will of God and i believe He gives you the feelings of forgivness. My mother had hurt me terriblely and 10 years after she was dead and gone I had a fight with God and He wanted me to forgive her, finally after 6 hours of yelling and stomping around I said I would, THEN He filled me with love and compassion for her, supprised me. oh well that is the way it works, it is hard. now I'm working on my jerk son in law, what a beast. I have not got there yet, I'm trying though. I hope I will make it through this one.
- September 5th, 2009, 05:12 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#75   Reply With Quote

ADVERTISEMENT

fino4beat's Avatar

fino4beat Boop!

Sage

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 11,701

See profile

jayjay wrote :
Maybe that 'let go' is what I'm thinking of. Just moving on with your life. No need for a big production to 'forgive' someone. Just leave it in the past.
Forgiving someone isn't always a public act, though, Jay. While I may choose to forgive someone who has truly, deeply hurt me, that doesn't mean I feel the need to let THEM know I've forgiven them. It isn't about making them feel better knowing that you're over whatever they did to you. Isn't it more about letting yourSELF know that you've removed their power to hurt you again and hold no malice for the hurt they caused?
- September 5th, 2009, 06:47 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#76   Reply With Quote
Jacquiem's Avatar

Jacquiem realizes that life deserves a full-throttle effort. Get out of her way!!!

Volunteer Community Leader

Join Date: Apr 2009

Posts: 502

See profile

Thanks legend!! I'm pretty tickled about it. Preplexed, but tickled. Who knew talking a lot would be beneficial somehow...
- September 5th, 2009, 07:15 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#77   Reply With Quote
jayjay's Avatar

jayjay ...is relaxing.

Power Poster

Join Date: Jun 2008

Posts: 7,407

See profile

fino4beat wrote :
Forgiving someone isn't always a public act, though, Jay. While I may choose to forgive someone who has truly, deeply hurt me, that doesn't mean I feel the need to let THEM know I've forgiven them. It isn't about making them feel better knowing that you're over whatever they did to you. Isn't it more about letting yourSELF know that you've removed their power to hurt you again and hold no malice for the hurt they caused?
Yes...and that's really what I mean. If someone feels the need to create an internal drama of 'forgiving' someone....to me that would seem to indicate that they really aren't over whatever happened. If they're over it....there would be no need to do anything. But then again...maybe the forgiving is a part of the process for some people that precedes actually being over the events of the past.
- September 5th, 2009, 08:38 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#78   Reply With Quote
sheera007's Avatar

sheera007 is rockin' the fitness progam

Enthusiast

Join Date: Aug 2008

Posts: 755

See profile

jayjay wrote :
Yes...and that's really what I mean. If someone feels the need to create an internal drama of 'forgiving' someone....to me that would seem to indicate that they really aren't over whatever happened. If they're over it....there would be no need to do anything. But then again...maybe the forgiving is a part of the process for some people that precedes actually being over the events of the past.
I get what you're saying jayjay. I'm more like you seem to be, about this. But it also depends on the situation... the person... and the exact nature of the offense.

If its a person I want to keep in my life then it would make sense to forgive them. But ONLY if they truly understand why and how their actions had been hurtful AND they are genuinely sorry... sorry enough to NOT WANT to do it again (not just for me, but also because they don't feel right, within themselves, about doing hurtful things to others).

That being said some people don't deserve my forgiveness such as... someone who is not genuinely remorseful... or perhaps someone who seems genuinely sorry, yet continues to repeat the offense... or someone who has done something soooo unconscionable... etc. That doesn't mean that I hold a grudge forever. It doesn't mean I feel vengeful or spiteful... okay, maybe for a minute.
It simply means...

... that my life is better without them. It may take a while for me to fully realize that. It may take a while for my emotions to catch up with my logic... and to stop hurting and stop caring. But for me, it is more a matter of distancing myself, healing, and getting over it... rather than forgiving.

Don't get me wrong - I don't easily dismiss people. Its not as though I've left a loooong trail of discarded friends behind me. But you know....
- September 5th, 2009, 10:03 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#79   Reply With Quote
simplemind's Avatar

simplemind comes to her favorite season--cool weather and beautiful colors.

Veteran

Join Date: Mar 2009

Posts: 1,340

See profile

I'm thinking of a friend of mine. A 12-stepper, who works his program and works it and works it.

The people I know who've been in recovery a long time--whether AA, AlAnon, CA, NA, etc--are some of the most incredible people I know.

This particular friend had a little cat who moved in with him and his dogs-- he lives in a small rural town about a hundred miles east of here. She was very precious to him, comforted him through cancer, son's time in the Gulf War, and more than a few heartaches.

One day, while he was at the funeral of a past sponsor, some teenage boys coaxed that sweet, trusting little calico out into the yard; where they beat her to death with sticks. The neighbor across the street saw it and told him about it when he found his tender companion, but was too afraid to name the boys.

On getting the email about it, I sent back a note letting him know he was in my prayers. I felt murderous--I was enraged. Didn't share that with him in my note, as I didn't want to burden him with my feelings when he was in need.

He thanked me, and asked me to pray, too, for the boys who thought that this kind of thing was okay.

I think I began to understand forgiveness in a very different way that day.

tumbleweed, javajava, and victoriesecret--the dressing on top of our beliefs may be quite different, but I suspect the foundation is the same.

I'm not so sure that this kind of forgiveness comes without a higher example.

and who am I, to not forgive myself, if someone else has already forgiven me?

Something I still, being a small human monkey, struggle with on a regular basis, Overanalyzer. How to forgive myself for transgressions perhaps only I see? Or for those glossings-over we all rationalize our pettinesses with?

For all I believe I know the answer, I still fight like a fish on the line.

Last edited by simplemind; September 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm. Reason: grammarian, in progress
- September 5th, 2009, 11:04 pm
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook

#80   Reply With Quote

ADVERTISEMENT

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Latest on our Dating Advice Discussion Boards

“all, or most of my matches lately have been people that never reply to the first step of communication or their profile says to contact them on facebook. it seems to me that these profiles are people ... ” – Coca-Cola

Join the “matches dont respond/their profile says contact them on face book” discussion

“sounds like things are going great! i'd suggest that you just keep doing whatever it is you are doing. and don't sweat the little things.” – notyet

Join the “always so paranoid” discussion

“"Billed in one installment of $239.40" means, "Billed once for $239.40." Pardon me for saying this, but if I had less than $40 in my bank account, buying an eHarmony subscription will be the least ... ” – Coca-Cola

Join the “eHarmony payment plans” discussion

“It appears the OP hasn't participated in EhA since she login and posed her question initially. We all come to these advise boards with so many different backgrounds...in fact I wrote another post on ... ” – RoxyRedhead

Join the “Frustrated & Confused: Is He A Sexual Addict???” discussion

“Darn..is that it..the first sign of awkwardness and kapowie/ shoot the relationship down.Here we haver 2 introverts without, apparently, heaps of experience, looking not for a way to end it, but for ... ” – RoxyRedhead

Join the “what to do... second guessing myself” discussion

“Lil lamb, I mentioned God in this topic for a number of reasons. 1. He is the Author of marriage. 2. The OP expressly emphasized God 3. The nature of this group. 4. A few more......... Perhaps ... ” – lil_lamb

Join the “Letter: National migration towards legalization of same-sex marriage” discussion

“Maybe I'm missing something too, but I had closed my match and she finally asked to reopen...but looks like if you've closed somebody before you can't reopen it as a non-paying member. Not that it ... ” – PY_2

Join the “Free Communication Weekend” discussion



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:25 am.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0