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brneyedangel wrote :
I was merely expressing my opinion. I did read your opinion and everyone else's before I posted, and I respect what everyone has said, and would appreciate the same in kind. You don't have to agree with what I've said, but it's still going to be my opinion because it happens to be what I believe from my experiences (and I said as much in my post). I wasn't responding to you and your post specifically, nor to anyone else's, but to the topic in general; had I been responding to you, I would have quoted you.

I am sorry if I interpreted it incorrectly but in the following quote:

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But getting past it and actually allowing yourself to feel that forgiveness so you aren't harboring that anger and suspecting every person who enters your life as having the potential to do that to you again is really quite important, regardless of what you believe.

So while it takes time, forgiveness is essential to getting past things and moving on with your life.
I know your comments were not directed to me. But when I read the words "you", "your", "yourself" I took that to mean everyone, so I included myself. I don't know if you meant that it is essential for everyone, regardless of what they believe, but that is the way I read it.

Perhaps you meant that it is essential for your own self. I'm sorry if I read it wrong. Even if you did mean that it is essential for everyone... I do respect your right to believe that. Just because I express my disagreement, does not mean that I disrespect your opinion. It simply means that I don't see it that way, and I'm compelled to sound off with my own views. I intended no disrespect or offense. I'm sorry if I did offend you.

I do understand that many people always need to forgive, in order to move on. But I'm getting the impression that nobody understands that I don't always need to forgive, in order to truly move on.
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- September 6th, 2009, 02:35 pm
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Gentlemen, I like you both immensely. Whenever I see your names on a threadline, I watch for it because you each have something to say I can respect. That said...

Tumbleweed, sometimes online the emotional meaning is lost in the black and white of print. Reading jayjay's first post twice, both times I saw him trying to make a joke. We do that sometimes when things get heavy, and this thread was getting heavy. I am sorry his humor hit two very clearly precious places for you. But one thing I do believe was taught was tolerance--and that means not just for people who believe what one believes ones' self, true?

jayjay, the first was funny. I think tumbleweed got hit in a tender spot and that's just my two cents. Sometimes, it's hard to make light of the things most sacred to us. Those are the times I have to poke fun at myself--seems mebbe you do that, too. But doesn't work for everyone...and so the second shot wasn't funny. I think the posts and the contributions you make to this thread are awesome--but this last one doesn't reflect the thoughtful person I am coming to know.

I genuinely don't mean to offend either of you, but just some honest feedback--which you, jayjay, were kind enough to offer me when I was a newbie (and maybe a whole lot more gracefully than I'm doing now).

Ironic, on a forgiveness thread? Or just real life?
thank you vary much you truly do understand whats going on hereand from my standpoint you are right,,,,,guns are for killing and i understand that, that is why i dont joke on the subject,,
- September 6th, 2009, 02:56 pm
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Thanks, tumbleweed.

A thread about forgiveness--while we work on it ourselves.

I kinda like that.
- September 6th, 2009, 05:05 pm
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sheera007 wrote :
I am sorry if I interpreted it incorrectly but in the following quote:



I know your comments were not directed to me. But when I read the words "you", "your", "yourself" I took that to mean everyone, so I included myself. I don't know if you meant that it is essential for everyone, regardless of what they believe, but that is the way I read it.

Perhaps you meant that it is essential for your own self. I'm sorry if I read it wrong. Even if you did mean that it is essential for everyone... I do respect your right to believe that. Just because I express my disagreement, does not mean that I disrespect your opinion. It simply means that I don't see it that way, and I'm compelled to sound off with my own views. I intended no disrespect or offense. I'm sorry if I did offend you.

I do understand that many people always need to forgive, in order to move on. But I'm getting the impression that nobody understands that I don't always need to forgive, in order to truly move on.
I completely understand the need to not forgive in order to move on, and I know many people who feel the exact same way. I don't think they're wrong at all; I just think they are doing what works for them. In the end, that's what really matters, imho.
- September 6th, 2009, 05:53 pm
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tumbleweed, javajava, and victoriesecret--the dressing on top of our beliefs may be quite different, but I suspect the foundation is the same. .
when i first came to this site i was first drawn in by the religious part,, i made a few statements and it came out the wrong way,, well i had a few people mad at me as they didnt understand what iwas saying,, well java java 5 came to my rescue as she figured out what it was i was saying,,i was new here at the time and if it hadnt been for java java 5 i may have never stayed,,although we all come from differant schools of teaching ,,like you said it ,simplemind, i suspect the foundation is the same,,,i want to thank you as you have honord me today when you put my name side by side with java java5,, she is lke a mentor to me,, always admired her understanding of things and today you [simplemind] have had the wisdom to see through the little spat with me and jay jay,,, with more people with this kind of understanding the world will be a lot better place,, i want to thank you all as ive learned so much here even when i dissagree i learn from it,,, so to all keep on specking your mind you all have something for someone to learn tumbleweed
- September 6th, 2009, 06:28 pm
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Since I believe the initial question was, what's forgiveness all about... to me? I can only give my own take on it.
I believe that for me, forgiveness is a choice. It is an act I must choose for myself, not for the other party, based on their merit or their deserving of forgiveness. This small gem that I heard a while back has served me very well with regards to forgiveness in my life.
"If I want to hold someone down by the throat, I have to stay down there with them."
What this means to me is simply that if I hold on to a resentment, it keeps me down and prevents me from getting up and moving on to my own personal freedom. And many, many times, the other person whom we are unforgiving toward has no idea the kind of emotions we are hanging on to in regards to them. They have moved on, it is we who are stuck in the muck of unforgiveness.
In regards to forgiveness of both others and myself, I really try to remember that we are all imperfect human beings. We hurt others, we are hurt by others. We require forgiveness and we must forgive if we are to have peace.
I realize this is just a summary of a larger issue, and it doesn't just magically happen without some heartache and often times some heartwork, but this is just my experience.
- September 6th, 2009, 08:54 pm
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marguitar wrote :
Since I believe the initial question was, what's forgiveness all about... to me? I can only give my own take on it.
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"If I want to hold someone down by the throat, I have to stay down there with them."

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...it is we who are stuck in the muck of unforgiveness.
In regards to forgiveness of both others and myself, I really try to remember that we are all imperfect human beings. We hurt others, we are hurt by others. We require forgiveness and we must forgive if we are to have peace.
I realize this is just a summary of a larger issue, and it doesn't just magically happen without some heartache and often times some heartwork, but this is just my experience.
and what experience it is.

To stay down in the muck with them...potent words, potent concept.

Thank you, marguitar.

and thank you, tumbleweed.
- September 6th, 2009, 11:33 pm
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jesas was the wises of the wise, he used words of wisdom to fight,that is why he was and is the most powerful man of all time
I won't argue with 'wisest of the wise'. I am honestly curious though...if Jesas was physically alive today, do you think he would he be using AK47s? WWJD?
- September 7th, 2009, 12:11 am
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Looks like you're wanting to start that new thread, jayjay!

Oughta be interesting--let me know if you do and which board it's on, k?
- September 7th, 2009, 12:47 am
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simplemind wrote :
Looks like you're wanting to start that new thread, jayjay!

Oughta be interesting--let me know if you do and which board it's on, k?
Nah...while I'm interested in what TW thinks about this I'm not really interested enough to start a new thread on it.
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