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boccabum is offline boccabum Post #1  September 2,2009, 10:42am
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Dating & Dollars: Recession Relationships - The Early Show - CBS News


I'm not going to allow Ladyjuju to monopolize the controversial thread-making activities.
Read the above article and let me know what you think.
I personally think Matt Titus is a complete fool and some of his comments in the article prove that to me.
 
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Ms666 is offline Ms666 Post #2  September 2,2009, 10:55am
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I think it's even worse that they had an editor from Cosmo to represent the female take on things.

I agree with Titus that men should pay for dates. If a man asks me out, he should expect to pay. If he's budget-conscious, I'm perfectly happy with a cheap meal and low-cost activities. I'm a sucker for cheap Mexican food.
The only exception is if the date is completely your idea and something you want to do: i.e. I've already bought tickets to see Clutch in a couple of weeks and some lucky guy will get to go with me.

The guy living with their parents thing touches a nerve with me; when I met my ex 'his parents were living with him'. He was 32. Now he's 42 and again, lives with his parents. Should've known.
 
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Funny thing is...the gal from Cosmo was way more reasonable than Titus - who simply vomits what women want to hear just to sell more books (IMO)
 
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I've got give a thumb up to this comment on the article:

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by ms kitty59 September 2, 2009 2:01 PM EDT I am a 60 yeart old woman who lived through the "sexual revalution". I think it is a mistake to be too idealistic when dating. A woman needs to remember that she is selecting a mate. I was very idealistic. I dated men that I liked and overlooked the little things like income, warning signs, like still living at home. I also wound up raising his two children by myself. I missed the oportunities of higher education or meeting a suitable mate, while young (who wants a ready made family?). AlthoughI love my children dearly, if I had been a little more practical at that age, my life would have been different.
I also agree with the guy, that during the courtship men need to treat women with respect and when things are too casual they don't have the same level of respect for you. AND, contrary to what we thought during the 70's when we were all screaming for equal rights, that is displayed by the little nicities like opening the door, paying for dates, etc. Remember, ladies, he is a guy and he is telling you that this is how guys minds work. It isn't because they plan it that way, it how it is.I have discovered that there were real reasons for these behaviors. I now value these traits in men and I would not consider a second date with anyone who did not show them. Women don't want to be treated like one of your guy friends, we do like to be shown that we are special.
By the way, guys who are temporarily short of cash, there are plenty of inexpensive places to go like a picnic, that can show off your other great qualities, like ingeuity and creativity, especially if you also have a good sense of humor ( which can be a big help later in life!).
 
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Dating & Dollars: Recession Relationships - The Early Show - CBS News


I'm not going to allow Ladyjuju to monopolize the controversial thread-making activities.
Read the above article and let me know what you think.
I personally think Matt Titus is a complete fool and some of his comments in the article prove that to me.
Why thank-you for the compliment!
 
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Several thoughts here...

First off you can have a good time without spending a lot of money. Who says ordering Chinese Delivery and watching NetFlix movies is a bad date? And like Ms666 I love this little Mexican food place in town with cheap beer on draft. I am not a rich guy, and while I sometimes will splurge on things I am always very reasonable about how much I spend on dates.

Second, I agree with Titus on the living at home. I moved out of my parents house at 19, and didn't start dating until I moved out of my parents house. Though with the economy like it is, if I was to lose my job and unable to find another one I would have to temporarily move back in with my parents. Though during this time I would refrain from dating, simply as if I can't afford a cheap apartment I shouldn't be wining and dining nice ladies.

Third, who should pay for dates? I dated a nice lady for a year was employed on and off. I let her pick up the check a couple of times when she had money if she offered. I am not so opposed to the idea. First dates though I would always pick up the check. Splitting the check is far too much hassle, and I always go expecting to pick up the check.
 
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Womens lib, right? Just split the cost.
 
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If a guy didn't pay for the first date, I'd be pretty put off. He would instantly be put in the 'friend zone'--at best. Ideally, he would pay for the first few dates and depending on his income (or what I perceive to be his income), I would start contributing accordingly. While I rarely whip out my credit card to pay for dinner, I will often offer to cook dinner, buy drinks when we're out, pre-purchase movie/concert tickets, etc. I'm also a huge fan of cheap dates and I won't bat an eyelash if he has a coupon. I appreciate guys that are not frivolous. If a guy tries to impress me with expensive dates that he can't afford, I'm just going to think he is an idiot and rule him out based on the fact that we have different views on spending money.

Living with the parents is non-negotiable. If you cannot afford to be living on your own, you can't afford to date. My older brother is currently living with my mom and basically being a huge leach/burden on the entire family. The other day he confessed to me that he wanted to start dating again (while we were out grocery shopping for him with MY money). I wanted to punch him in the face (I swear I'm not a violent person).
 
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the truth is that money comes and goes especially if the guy is an entrepreneurial risk taker. you can fall hard. you can make it big. we need guys/people like that out there.

my main concern would not be income or employment, but his intelligence and how responsible a person he is. if i had to live a decade in a tiny apartment with someone that i loved and respected i really couldnt care less.

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HE SAID: NEVER!!!!!!!!!! What is this world coming to? When a woman allows a man to split the check, she is lowering her position in the relationship by showing him that she is as ordinary as the guys he splits the check with. When a man is not led to believe that he is privileged to be with a woman than he will treat her no better than his male friends.
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Nanette wrote :
the truth is that money comes and goes especially if the guy is an entrepreneurial risk taker. you can fall hard. you can make it big. we need guys/people like that out there.

my main concern would not be income or employment, but his intelligence and how responsible a person he is. if i had to live a decade in a tiny apartment with someone that i loved and respected i really couldnt care less.

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yep.
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HE SAID: NEVER!!!!!!!!!! What is this world coming to? When a woman allows a man to split the check, she is lowering her position in the relationship by showing him that she is as ordinary as the guys he splits the check with. When a man is not led to believe that he is privileged to be with a woman than he will treat her no better than his male friends.
That statement by this guy is foolish.
In reality it is like this:

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When a woman allows a man to split the check, she is elevating herself to the same emotional, financial, social and sexual level as him. But when a man does nothing but pay his date's social life, he's lowering himself to the position of tool and ATM and is led to believe he should be privileged to be with the women and she is led to believe that HE is also privileged to be with her.
No mutual respect. Only the perpetuation of one who is subservient to the other. I have more respect for the women I date than that. I date intelligent, strong, and capable women. I respect them and vice versa.
Too bad that there are women out there who don't respect their dates enough to show them they want to be there by treating their guys once in a while.
Maybe if they dated men they respected, they'd have better luck in dating.
 
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