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Thanks again for everyone contributing their thoughts and advice.

I've noticed some other threads about people being discouraged and have been talking to other people who are having less than perfect dating experiences, so I don't feel so alone or like something is wrong with me.

When I first joined EH I felt a little pathetic because of my age, but then I saw that there were other people my age on EH, so I didn't feel so bad. My age matching criteria is 20-28, and most of my matches are 27, lol. When I joined, I was going to college full time and working almost full time, and I wasn't having any luck meeting people in real life. I'm pretty shy/reserved (I feel that walking up to someone I don't know and starting a conversation is an invasion of their personal space and privacy) and I don't care much for the bar and club scene. EH seemed like a good solution. I didn't get the results I was hoping for (and paid good money for), but I did go out on more dates than I'm sure I would have otherwise.
 
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Thanks again for everyone contributing their thoughts and advice.

I've noticed some other threads about people being discouraged and have been talking to other people who are having less than perfect dating experiences, so I don't feel so alone or like something is wrong with me.

When I first joined EH I felt a little pathetic because of my age, but then I saw that there were other people my age on EH, so I didn't feel so bad. My age matching criteria is 20-28, and most of my matches are 27, lol. When I joined, I was going to college full time and working almost full time, and I wasn't having any luck meeting people in real life. I'm pretty shy/reserved (I feel that walking up to someone I don't know and starting a conversation is an invasion of their personal space and privacy) and I don't care much for the bar and club scene. EH seemed like a good solution. I didn't get the results I was hoping for (and paid good money for), but I did go out on more dates than I'm sure I would have otherwise.
 
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WoolyOrl wrote :
I've been out on approximately 75 first dates in the past 19 months... 4 have ended up in some type of multi-month exclusive relationship, and the other 71 were almost all one-date-wonders.

So statistically I'm running roughly 6%
Wooly you should really post some more info or data on what your system is and how you achieved this, 75 first dates in 19 months for a guy online makes you somewhat of a phenom. It means you were getting responses from women I'm guessing on average every 3 days at least or so. Like what did your opening letters look like, how long your profile was, how many photos you had up, your overall standards, etc. How many women a week did you write? If you're not comfortable posting it PM me pls. I think you could help quite a few guys on here, including me. My batting average right now on the other sites is horrid even though I know I'm not emailing women out of my league.
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I'm in awe. Even at my most successful, I may have gotten 10 first dates a year. This means you more or less have a date every week or so. I slow down if something pans out. But still, this is awesome.
It's weird... I go through waves. I'll get in communication and dating with around 4-5 women simultaneously, they trickle down to 1, I date that 1 for a while, and if it ends (obviously it's a 'when', as I'm single again) then I go dark for a month or so to pickup the mojo and go back on again. 1-2 weeks to fill the pipeline with communication, e-mails, and such... and the cycle repeats.

The good about this is I know, without a doubt, that if a relationship doesn't succeed I'll always be able to find someone else. The bad about this is that I'm experiencing so many "not-optimal" women online that I'm wondering about the efficacy of online dating as a method of meeting people.

By not-optimal, I do NOT mean unattractive. There are lots of attractive women online. I mean that they are either emotionally or intellectually unavailable. I'm convinced that many of the inciteful opinions here are accurate - the "shopping" nature of online dating is such that you are always looking for that next person that is 1% better, making snap "keeper/loser" judgments without even getting to know that person very well.

It's exhausting, actually. I'm in the beginning of a wave right now - this week coming up I have:

Monday - Drinks after work with "E" - 1st date
Tuesday - Tennis after work "M" - 2nd date
Wednesday - Free
Thursday - Lunch with "K" - 1st date
Friday - Free
Saturday - Brunch with "T" - 2nd date, evening is Free
Sunday - Rock Climbing with guy friends

I need a nap!
 
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Wooly you should really post some more info or data on what your system is and how you achieved this, 75 first dates in 19 months for a guy online makes you somewhat of a phenom. It means you were getting responses from women I'm guessing on average every 3 days at least or so. Like what did your opening letters look like, how long your profile was, how many photos you had up, your overall standards, etc. How many women a week did you write? If you're not comfortable posting it PM me pls. I think you could help quite a few guys on here, including me. My batting average right now on the other sites is horrid even though I know I'm not emailing women out of my league.
Truly, it's not difficult - I'm a good writer (I have a 10 year background in publishing, so that helps) and have a bizarre sense of humor. Humor is THE key. Gotta be funny. I can turn a simple trip to the grocery store, pick out some tiny aspect of it and spin that into a 1,000 character tale filled with bizarre thoughts and perspectives. Work on your story telling skills, women love to be entertained by a smart guy who smiles and laughs.

I have maybe 10 photos on my Match profile and perhaps 7 on my EH one. They are all of me smiling, or doing something fun. All poses of me doing something goofy or happy (but NOT in an imposing masculine way). No muscle T's... very cheesy. No shirtless photos... again, cheesy. No photos of me with other girls. No photos of me with big groups of people - I don't have to prove I have friends. My favorite photo is one of me on a wakeboard, in mid air, as I'm about to fall. I have a look of terror on my face... Next time I slip while climbing and I'm hanging on the safety rope I SO WANT a photo of that...

My Match profile text initially was astounding - I used 4,972 characters of the 5,000 they allot for the "About Me" section. I've since edited this down to around 2,500 characters. I had women writing me simply to mention that they couldn't stop laughing. and guys, I'm NOT a looker. 6'1", I'm lean (165lbs right now, lost some weight), 42 yrs old, and a child. However I have all my hair which supposedly is important. Oh... I have a lot of self confidence. Not at a cocky level, but I know I'm good at what I do. I know I'm a great dad. I've had a fascinating life so far, and I have a million stories and life-time friends to share with people. I have no doubt in my mind that I'm a catch, and women go for a self-confident guy. Deep down, women have this innate need to feel that they can count on the guy to step up if needed, that they don't have to "worry". They don't want the guy to support them, they need to know that they can always count on them if the need arises.

NOW, here's the thing. I don't consider the # of dates I've had or the profile a success. The goal here is to find "The One". I have not done this yet, so I am not yet successful. So until that day comes, don't assume I have the answer - after all, I didn't write "The Secret" (what a load of cr*p that book is, btw - think of it and the universe will provide it to you... don't do the hard work, just THINK it.... yeah, right!!).

I'll shoot you the text of the profile OL.
 
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I have only been on eHarmony for going on 7 months now, I haven't gone on a single date with my nearly 100 matches that I have since then on eHarmony. Though in my observations there are numerous variables that are in play, and you have to ask yourself if you are willing to spend the money with the possibility that you might not have anything good come out of it.

So let me begin by saying, I don't think you lack of success indicates that there is anything wrong with you or that you are less worthy of any of the guys on eHarmony. The biggest factor is likely your age, I am also 21 and eHarmony does have it's disadvantages for us. There are a number of people (like you and I) who are 20-25 and use online dating sites as a tool. However, we are in the minority. The majority of those in eHarmony are actually quite a bit older, and believe it or not there are probably a number of 27 year old guys who are not interested in a 21 year old woman. I know there are a number of 27 year old women that are not interested in 21 year old guy. So that is just a factor that is working against the both of us. That is one reason why I went to OkCupid, I am not putting eHarmony down at all but I have had better luck over there because of it being a free site there is a greater number of people are age.

I am also curios what your distance settings are, if you have kept your distance settings fairly restrictive than your amount of matches is going to be lower. As for guys going out with you and things no working out, that happens to all of us and is going to happen regardless of what dating site you are on or if you are meeting people out and about. eHarmony uses a computer algorithm to try to match people, but we all know that the emotional attachment between two people goes far beyond and is far more complex than anything a computer programmer can write.

So as for giving up on eHarmony that is entirely up to you. Personally, if you can afford to renew and you have any faith in the system than I think you should renew. If you have lost all faith in the system than perhaps you should consider other systems out there. What you can't allow yourself to do is to get entirely discouraged as that is going to have a negative impact, not only are you going to be more passive and perhaps miss the opportunity to meet a great guy but if you begin to get discouraged and you begin questioning yourself than you are going to lose confidence and we all know the troubles that can lead to.
 
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I think Eharmony is the biggest waste of money for our demographic.

So far, I've mostly been matched up with extremely overweight people or people who are polar opposite of what I stand for - or of course, the inactive fake profiles.

I don't date a lot, but the few I have been on, usually end up in long relationships (although I'm pretty selective on who I ask out in the first place).

The one BAD date I've EVER gone on (the only internet date I've had) was with some girl that said she had no camera or pictures on her new laptop (Chalk it up to experience).

She said she was attractive, worked out a lot, felt down because her boyfriend just cheated on her, etc. So I was willing to give it a shot because I felt bad for her. When I came to pick her up, she was like 100 pounds overweight and (I apologize if this sounds rude) looked like she was hit by the ugly bus. Not to mention the baggage.

I still took her out, but I was so happy when I drove off - the relief was like actually having a good date (I actually told her we had no chemistry and I would not call her back, she slammed my door on the way out).

Internet dating really sucks - all the normal people with no problems are probably out there in the real world. We just need to take some time off our busy schedules to look for dates in the right places. I finally have some time off this semester from my load to finally do it after a few years, so I'm ditching the useless online dating thing.

If you don't have a gym membership yet, use the money you would pay Eharmony to get one. Try to go to a gym in a nice neighborhood. If you go to a bad neighborhood, you'll just get stupid meat heads. The best gym to go to would be your school gym.

If you don't know how to use any of the equipment (or even if you do know how to use it), just go up to some guy you think is cute and ask him how (This is like the least scary way to strike up a conversation). You'll probably end up with 30000 times better dates than finding Joe Gut online. Just make sure to size him up before you ask, if he looks like he has too huge muscles, he's probably into cheating and loving himself.

Don't try to use subtle clues like smiling or staring at us, we males are stupid. Subtle hints mean nothing to us.

Good luck.
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stevex wrote :
I have only been on eHarmony for going on 7 months now, I haven't gone on a single date with my nearly 100 matches that I have since then on eHarmony. Though in my observations there are numerous variables that are in play, and you have to ask yourself if you are willing to spend the money with the possibility that you might not have anything good come out of it.

So let me begin by saying, I don't think you lack of success indicates that there is anything wrong with you or that you are less worthy of any of the guys on eHarmony. The biggest factor is likely your age, I am also 21 and eHarmony does have it's disadvantages for us. There are a number of people (like you and I) who are 20-25 and use online dating sites as a tool. However, we are in the minority. The majority of those in eHarmony are actually quite a bit older, and believe it or not there are probably a number of 27 year old guys who are not interested in a 21 year old woman. I know there are a number of 27 year old women that are not interested in 21 year old guy. So that is just a factor that is working against the both of us. That is one reason why I went to OkCupid, I am not putting eHarmony down at all but I have had better luck over there because of it being a free site there is a greater number of people are age.

I am also curios what your distance settings are, if you have kept your distance settings fairly restrictive than your amount of matches is going to be lower. As for guys going out with you and things no working out, that happens to all of us and is going to happen regardless of what dating site you are on or if you are meeting people out and about. eHarmony uses a computer algorithm to try to match people, but we all know that the emotional attachment between two people goes far beyond and is far more complex than anything a computer programmer can write.

So as for giving up on eHarmony that is entirely up to you. Personally, if you can afford to renew and you have any faith in the system than I think you should renew. If you have lost all faith in the system than perhaps you should consider other systems out there. What you can't allow yourself to do is to get entirely discouraged as that is going to have a negative impact, not only are you going to be more passive and perhaps miss the opportunity to meet a great guy but if you begin to get discouraged and you begin questioning yourself than you are going to lose confidence and we all know the troubles that can lead to.
When I first joined eharmony my distance settings were for the whole US, mainly out of frustration with the guys in my area. I changed it after a few months after realizing that I would not have the money any time soon to fly around the country to date people Now my distance settings are at about 60 miles. All of the guys I've gone out with except for two actually live in the same city as me, so the distance settings aren't the problem, I think.

I actually tried the 3-day free trial on Match.com, and used OkCupid for a short time. I didn't like either of those much. I didn't like that anyone could contact you on Match (I got some pretty weird messages!) and I wasn't happy with the pool of guys on OkCupid (but there were a lot more of them, and it was free ).

I think for sure I won't be renewing my eharmony subscription. I think being passive and perhaps missing an opportunity to meet a great guy is exactly what my problem has been LOL. I need to stop hiding behind the computer and only using the so-so matches it gives me

Good luck with eharmony and online dating in general
 
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I think Eharmony is the biggest waste of money for our demographic.

So far, I've mostly been matched up with extremely overweight people or people who are polar opposite of what I stand for - or of course, the inactive fake profiles.

I don't date a lot, but the few I have been on, usually end up in long relationships (although I'm pretty selective on who I ask out in the first place).

The one BAD date I've EVER gone on (the only internet date I've had) was with some girl that said she had no camera or pictures on her new laptop (Chalk it up to experience).

She said she was attractive, worked out a lot, felt down because her boyfriend just cheated on her, etc. So I was willing to give it a shot because I felt bad for her. When I came to pick her up, she was like 100 pounds overweight and (I apologize if this sounds rude) looked like she was hit by the ugly bus. Not to mention the baggage.

I still took her out, but I was so happy when I drove off - the relief was like actually having a good date (I actually told her we had no chemistry and I would not call her back, she slammed my door on the way out).

Internet dating really sucks - all the normal people with no problems are probably out there in the real world. We just need to take some time off our busy schedules to look for dates in the right places. I finally have some time off this semester from my load to finally do it after a few years, so I'm ditching the useless online dating thing.

If you don't have a gym membership yet, use the money you would pay Eharmony to get one. Try to go to a gym in a nice neighborhood. If you go to a bad neighborhood, you'll just get stupid meat heads. The best gym to go to would be your school gym.

If you don't know how to use any of the equipment (or even if you do know how to use it), just go up to some guy you think is cute and ask him how (This is like the least scary way to strike up a conversation). You'll probably end up with 30000 times better dates than finding Joe Gut online. Just make sure to size him up before you ask, if he looks like he has too huge muscles, he's probably into cheating and loving himself.

Don't try to use subtle clues like smiling or staring at us, we males are stupid. Subtle hints mean nothing to us.

Good luck.
Hahaha your post made me laugh

I think we are in the same place in our thoughts about online dating.

I have been thinking about the gym thing, I kinda need to join one anyway. I've always been a little skeptical about "gym dudes", haha, but I'll keep your advice in mind

Good luck to you too.
 
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