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Like I said, everyone is different, and your situation could be exactly how you're reading it. I wouldn't read a comment like that as "I need sex to be happy." I would read it more at face value, in other words, "Sex is something that makes me happy." I doubt you'll find many guys out there that don't want to have sex. Heck there's few women out there that don't want to have sex but don't let them know I'm on to them .

I suppose I read into your "happiness" statement more along the lines of what's usually included behind such a topic. Typically the discussion is about what makes the both of you happy, correct? Sure, it could be day to day, but the connotation is "what are your hobbies?" And by extension, "are our hobbies compatible?"

The reason I read this as long-term is because of "...the beginning I want to build things over a friendship base..." In other words there's a long-term implied here. Or perhaps more importantly an escalation in your relationship at some point. Escalations involve deeper relationships which involve more long-term thought than he's likely to be doing at this point (again, before you've even met). So he joked about short term stuff (being a simple guy just happy with "food and sex"). This doesn't seem unusual at all to me but in context perhaps I would feel differently.

There's always a connotation of "you" implied in early dating conversations. Even when people are talking about themselves or something else there is an undercurrent of the other person (or at least there's one perceived). In other words if a guy says "man, I don't really like that woman's hair" and it's in any way similar to his date's hair she's going to take it as a personal insult. Likewise if a girl discusses a random guy's bad fashion sense and the guy has anything similar in his wardrobe or is uncomfortable with his fashion (which is most guys to be honest) he's probably not going to be happy.

Here's the thing. Most guys don't need to have sex with you right now. What they do need, however, is knowing sex is a possibility at some point. More importantly they need to know that you are sexually attracted to them and willing to, at some point (even if you break up before hand and never actually do anything) have sex with him. To many guys sex is the ultimate expression of love and acceptance between two people. By indicating you would never be interested in such an expression he'll take it as a rejection of him as a person. I know, it sounds weird.

I know this is a stereotypical example but it's like if a guy told you "I'm never interested in marriage/having kids/whatever" and you want one of those things in the future. It doesn't have to be now, in fact, now is probably a bad time for any of those things. You aren't likely to go on a second date with someone and say "let's get married/have kids." But the fact that there's an implied "never" (and more pointedly "never with you") is a huge turn-off.

Sex is a huge part of a guy's relationship drive. There's other aspects, sure...companionship, romance, stability, family, etc. There are few guys, however, that want a sexless relationship. Any implication that he's never going to have a sex life, or even worse, that he's somehow a bad person because of it is likely to turn him off.

My only concern is that problems with core values, such as at what stage sex is OK (typically during dating vs. after marriage only), having kids, marriage, etc. are typically not solvable problems relating to a misunderstanding over each person's timeline typically are.

Something as simple as saying "I'm interested in you but I'm personally not comfortable with sexual activity early in a relationship" can do wonders to a new relationship. You've accomplished three major things here.

First, you've confirmed that you are, in fact, attracted to him. Just because you're going out with us doesn't mean we know you're attracted to us. For all we know you could think we're an interesting guy as long as we never touch you. Not a good situation to be in.

Secondly you've established that you are open to sexual activity eventually. He's not dating an ice queen, to put it bluntly. This isn't a commitment on your part; your "early" relationship could be six months or a year or more (good luck with that, but it does happen). You are free to take it as slowly or quickly as you want.

Lastly you've taken the pressure off him to push you for sex. What? What the heck does that mean? Guys are often expected to push for sex. Yes, it's true. We're afraid that if we don't we'll be seen as disinterested. Many of us (myself included) have made the mistake of "respecting her boundaries" for too long and then getting friend-zoned. She decides that because I'm not trying to get her in bed every couple seconds that I'm not into her sexually and so they just go into friend mode and that's that. By establishing early on that you don't want his advances until you're ready, and that you won't see his behavior as indicative of disinterest in you, you take a lot of pressure off a guy. Trying to figure out what a woman wants at what time can be a nightmare. It's so much easier when we stop having to guess and you tell us !

Just some things to think about. Again I wish you the best of luck and your forgiveness if I'm totally off. Take care!

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- August 11th, 2009, 03:16 pm
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How's is that 10 characters?
The tech support must be drinking again...

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Please speak to your therapist. Thanks.
It is ten characters then edited to a brief message, there is always a workaround as they say.
- August 11th, 2009, 03:49 pm
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treeye wrote :
I heard if a guy bring up topics about sex before you two even meet, then he's just looking for that.

is it true?

A thirsty man walks out of the desert. What's the first thing he wants? Same with men talking to the opposite sex. We are programmed to be aggressive towards making the first move verbally. And if we don't, then maybe she will move on to a more exciting guy.

However that's only if the conversation steers in that direction, we want to test you or we are really lonely. Now here's the thing. How can you tell the lonely guys who make a verbal mistake of saying too soon they want to hug you vs. the guy who only wants sex?

In the end, is the man who came out of the desert and asks for water, wrong? We are talking about human nature here. Maybe the defining thing is how do you feel about it? Was the guy rude and you felt inside your stomach a negative feeling? Was sex his main concern or was he just testing you?
- August 11th, 2009, 04:06 pm
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Nanette wrote :
Uh if a guy did this on date 2 it would be a complete and total turn off. In fact, there wouldnt be a date 3, so I wont even comment on that.



If this is "normal" I prefer being weird.


What? You mean if you "BOTH" were feeling really good about each other and having a GREAT time PLUS the chemistry was there...you would not talk about anything sexy?
- August 11th, 2009, 05:16 pm
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treeye wrote :
I think he's an interesting person, not relationship ready but I'm ok with that. I told him from the begining that I want to build things over friendship base and he continued our conversation. we'd good conversation and when talking about "happiness", he said he's a simple guy who'll be happy for just food and sex.
Sounds to me like he was being light-hearted, trying to get the point across that he's easy going but likes to be taken care of as well.

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I agree that maybe I overreact over his casual comment, what I read is " I need sex to be happy".
and I'm confused why topic about "happiness" is considered long term and serious? we're happy or unhappy day by day, not year by year.
Well...if you were in a relationship and didn't have sex would you be happy?

You might want to throw away all that you were taught about what do do on dates 1-3, what your parents taught you, what you read, and what you think you should do, and just do what feels right to you. People are people and they just like to know things.

If you are uncomfortable talking about sex on the first date, say so. You really don't need to get into the "we need to be involved and committed and working on everlasting happiness first" - just do what you feel. You can't go by the rules or traditions because different men will make you feel differently. Some will make you cringe and some will make you want to hop on before they even speak. You can't apply a rule to an emotion. Sex is a pleasurable and immensely satisfying physical act. It doesn't always have to be the seal of commitment.

Talking about sex on the first date or before, if both parties feel there is an attraction, and if done in either a respectful or playful (better) manner, doesn't bother me at all. Other things would bother me more, like if he tells me he drinks a 12-pack every night or can't keep a job or doesn't talk to his family.

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- August 11th, 2009, 05:34 pm
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well said but it's "what I think I should do" that will not make me feel right to do things I think I shouldn't do. got it?

also how to weed out guys who just want sex? taking it slow, it's the only way to find out,I'm not talking about a year just months. I'm sure if a guy is genuinely interested, he'll wait; if he's not, he'll be gone. It's ok since I don't want to have my heart torn out by a guy who doesn't deserve it.

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Sounds to me like he was being light-hearted, trying to get the point across that he's easy going but likes to be taken care of as well.


Well...if you were in a relationship and didn't have sex would you be happy?

You might want to throw away all that you were taught about what do do on dates 1-3, what your parents taught you, what you read, and what you think you should do, and just do what feels right to you. People are people and they just like to know things.

If you are uncomfortable talking about sex on the first date, say so. You really don't need to get into the "we need to be involved and committed and working on everlasting happiness first" - just do what you feel. You can't go by the rules or traditions because different men will make you feel differently. Some will make you cringe and some will make you want to hop on before they even speak. You can't apply a rule to an emotion. Sex is a pleasurable and immensely satisfying physical act. It doesn't always have to be the seal of commitment.

Talking about sex on the first date or before, if both parties feel there is an attraction, and if done in either a respectful or playful (better) manner, doesn't bother me at all. Other things would bother me more, like if he tells me he drinks a 12-pack every night or can't keep a job or doesn't talk to his family.
- August 11th, 2009, 08:32 pm
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I think on this one you'd really have to consider the context in which the topic evolved.
- August 11th, 2009, 09:14 pm
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But if he's already asking you about your favorite positions or whether you spit or swallow before you've even met... then, yeah, he's probably just looking for sex.
In which case you probably should put his number on speed dail for the next time you get invited to a bacholette party in need of entertainment.
- August 11th, 2009, 09:17 pm
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If sex came up during a conversation as part of something he heard or read about then I would think it would be okay. On the other hand if he is trying to feel you out as to how you feel about sex then its time to write him off asap.
- August 12th, 2009, 12:00 am
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Jacquesne wrote :
Here's the thing. Most guys don't need to have sex with you right now. What they do need, however, is knowing sex is a possibility at some point. More importantly they need to know that you are sexually attracted to them and willing to, at some point (even if you break up before hand and never actually do anything) have sex with him. To many guys sex is the ultimate expression of love and acceptance between two people. By indicating you would never be interested in such an expression he'll take it as a rejection of him as a person. I know, it sounds weird.

I know this is a stereotypical example but it's like if a guy told you "I'm never interested in marriage/having kids/whatever" and you want one of those things in the future. It doesn't have to be now, in fact, now is probably a bad time for any of those things. You aren't likely to go on a second date with someone and say "let's get married/have kids." But the fact that there's an implied "never" (and more pointedly "never with you") is a huge turn-off.
Hey Jac,
I have 2 questions for you -

1. You do realize that most women like sex too and don't see it as chore, dont you? Well, if you don't, then let me assure you that it is the case for most women I know. Most of us also want to have sex with the man we love at some point. It's an old wives tale that says that sex in a relationship is more important to men than to women - we just view and express things differently. We simply do not like to be viewed as sex objects rather than human beings, for whom sexual identity is only one dimension of personality, not its entire extent. That's all. And I have a feeling that most men do not like to be viewed just as sex objects or sperm donors either.

2. When a woman says that she is "interested in marriage/having kids/whatever" - do you think she might at least imply that she wants to have sex at some point. If for no other reason than to at least produce those kids or whatever - last I checked, having sex was still the most popular method of reproduction.

Or do I really live on the Moon?

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