EBNH4 for someone who is asking that I respect those who see sex as a mystical experience I notice that you use many value laden words to describe my understanding of sex. You can hardly have it both ways. You cannot on the one hand speak of your ideas about sex as being "superior" and at the same time tell me to be more "respectful" of those who see it differently. Perhaps you might wish to follow your own counsel first, before telling others that they must accept your division of sex in to merely pleasurable and "superior" sex. In passing I will observe that I work in a predominantly female environment. I spend many hours each day in the company of women, most of whom are married. They are so used to being around me that I have become, in effect, "one of the girls". They openly talk about their married sex lives. Funny thing none of them speak of this mystical, path to God through marital sex. In fact, their experiences are often quite negative. They often feel used, that is their husbands are only interested in their own sexual pleasure and seem to have little or no interest in those of the wives. Worse yet, some of these women, who are quite beautiful and sexually attractive women complain that their husbands never seem to have any interest in them sexually. What a sad waste! If there are married women out there getting this "earth shattering" or spiritual-sexual experience, you know what, there not talking about it. Most of the married women I talk to would very happily accept a sex life built on mutual pleasure. The surest way to ensure an impoverished sex life is to load it with all sorts of religious, spiritual, emotional baggage. Anyway thank you for taking the time to critique my thoughts. I appreciate it. I too enjoy critiquing the thoughts of those who elevate sex to a kind of mystical union with god.