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Originally Posted by OverAnalyzer

hmm...is that possible? Let's say I'm a 51 year old single parent of older kids, own my home, work full time, take care of inside and out, have hobbies, am happy, content, and keep crossing the next thing off my list.

I'm attractive, fun, not overweight, great cook, passionate, optimistic, and happy. (not a ploy, just stating what you may be wondering).

So why am I still single? Do men really want to take care of women? If so, how come I only meet the ones that want to be taken care of?

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avinash[/b];671181]Where would they fit into your life, seems you're so independent that there is no place for a guy to begin with

Hey avinash, I agree with you. The Political correct younger men today will get r aped in Divorce Court. Just wait...these women who say they don't "need" a man will crush them in "family" court.
- July 12th, 2009, 04:29 am
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OverAnalyzer wrote :
hmm...is that possible? Let's say I'm a 51 year old single parent of older kids, own my home, work full time, take care of inside and out, have hobbies, am happy, content, and keep crossing the next thing off my list.

I'm attractive, fun, not overweight, great cook, passionate, optimistic, and happy. (not a ploy, just stating what you may be wondering).

So why am I still single? Do men really want to take care of women? If so, how come I only meet the ones that want to be taken care of?

It's not independent women men are put off by. It's the high maintainence, spoiled women who are impossible to please. To be fair, many men are like this too. When most men hear the words "independent" right away the get a mental image of a bossy woman [most men who are truthful offline will admit to this but online many men lie in the hopes of "getting some."]

Who wants to date a bossy woman? Even if it's only a myth. Why not change your vocabulary and downplay the word "independent?" Most men don't care how much $$ you have. That's the woman's job to care how much $$ a man has {per Mothernature.} Men care more abot how you look. All the $ in the world isn't going to stir up our man organ if we aren't attracted to you.
- July 12th, 2009, 05:00 am
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Mayne wrote :
I love them. What I can't stand are self professed independent feminists who still expect me to pay for everything, open doors, initiate all contact, always make the first move, etc


So many women seem to want to have their cake and eat it too.
All perfectly true. But since women have a total monopoly on what men want, doesn't it make sense to play along?
- July 12th, 2009, 05:25 am
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This whole thread seems strange to me... I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but being with another person shouldn't be about need at all!

I think relationships should be based on want and adaptation. If you want to be with someone you adapt yourself to be with them. It's not easy, but anything worth having takes effort.

If they are too demanding or 'needy' without any reciprocation then adaptation quickly turns into deference which, if pushed, can become less respectful and eventually turn into a battle for control.

Having a relationship shouldn't be about being in control of anything. You're supposed to be hurt, that's the point. Without being hurt you'd have no reason to change and grow. You just need to decide if you'll accept being hurt by this particular person.

If you're in a relationship to get something from someone else then I weep for you. You should be in it to give. If you meet someone worthwhile they do the same thing.

Everyone is different though. Lots of folks want to go through life with this self-delusion that they are in charge of themselves. People they associate with need to wear a yoke before they are allowed to get close.

Being in control of someone else and manipulating them to do what you want isn't love. It's lack of personal control. Knowing that you can strong arm a weaker person into being subservient doesn't mean you should do it!

Ultimately if you are independent and strong enough to live your life by your own terms, do you really need anyone else to hold you back? Why not use circumstance to decide who to be with? If you are part of a club and find satisfaction being with a certain person at the club then let it roll. Risk a little and put yourself out there.

Mutual interests, random events, letting things kinda flow together. Letting your feelings and intuition guide you with interpersonal relationships is way more satisfying than constantly thinking of who gives more or who controls what. Or what you can make someone do.

If you feel good with it then roll with it. If you're not feeling good then express it and move forward. Don't start regretting and bottling to 'protect another persons sensibilities'; Just express yourself for yourself and if it offends them then let them deal with it. Listen to their expressions of frustration if needed but don't hold back being communicative for any reason.

Ultimately it will be better for both partners if feelings and thoughts are shared. It'll allow both people to learn about each other and eventually not need to discuss little things because you'll already know the reasoning and understandings behind one another's actions.

I think verbalizing thoughts and feelings is the best way to express ourselves to another. It allows us to see their responses and intuitively come to conclusions that we can put back into our communication and discover more truths.

I don't think there is only one person out there for everyone. You are a sum of your experiences so share them with someone if you want or don't. Life is up to us. We all suffer until we die.

Everyone is emotionally filled differently. Just find someone who you are compatible with and, combined with trust and understanding created through communication, allow yourself to put your energy into filling them emotionally and know that they can and will do the same back for you in a way that you appreciate and love.

Getting to know if they are compatible is easy. Just ask.
You're young. Very young. This is written like the fantasy of a "good" relationship, and if you go into a relationship this idealistically, you will not only place unrealistic expectations on the other person to react the way that you expect and/or you will become very jaded in the future.
- July 12th, 2009, 05:55 am
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Woah, Outlaw, you have some serious issues! Sounds like you've had a rough trip through family court.

Perhaps we need a definition of "independent" and "needy" that everyone can agree on.
I don't need a man to pay my mortgage or my bills and I can pay my share of the entertainment dollars. That doesn't make me "bossy" or "superior". I'm "spoiled" because I can meet my car payments?
The fact that I don't need to be sitting on my guy's lap 24/7 doesn't make me "high maintenance". I'd think the opposite, actually.

I can't even say that I'm a feminist but my idea of "need" isn't to find a man who is so controlling of my finances that I'm trapped in a relationship because I don't know how to make it on my own. (See how these generalizations sound silly?)

Being able to stand on my own two feet doesn't make me "bossy" or "superior". It makes me less likely to get alimony

By Outlaw's standards, I just have to be poor and pretty to succeed in a relationship (or, rather, to "stir up a man-organ"). That might be true among the Neanderthals, but not in this century. I'm not sure who's coming off worse in this debate.

I "need" a man for companionship, sex, entertainment, moral support, conversation (I'm looking for the intellectual sort, which is the best way to stir up my woman-organ). I don't need a man to be the dude in charge of my every waking moment.
I'd consider this "low maintenance" - why are guys so frightened by this?

Or perhaps Outlaw means that "bossy" is about getting nagged to take out the garbage without the ability to slap her upside the head for her impertinence.
- July 12th, 2009, 06:22 am
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Independence should not imply manipulative, bossy, high-maintenance, or divorce court. It simply means, to me, that I am perfectly capable of taking care of my business. I work, cook, clean, grocery shop, mow the lawn, shovel the driveway, work on my hobbies, and try to stay physically and emotionally healthy. Do I want to mow the lawn? I really don't mind. Do I want to shovel? Not really, but I can't afford to pay someone to plow each time it snows here. Don't men work and shop and mow and shovel and have hobbies? How does this make me not have time for someone else?

As far as need, I don't need a man or dog or cat, those are choices, as much as a boat, motorcycle, or fishing pole. Living things allow you to appreciate life as they *need* to be cared for and caring for a living thing, as long as you choose to is healthy, even if it's just a plant.
I would like the companionship of a man, I would like him to be my buddy, my lover, someone to grow old with. I would like to know that we will always be there for each other. I don't need him to live with me and I don't need him to marry me. That's just geography.

Women care about how men look too. Some men think they look much better than they do. I prefer not to date a man that wears more jewelry than me, touts his successes and possessions, or tries to tell me how to dress or change my look on a regular basis.

I'm beginning to think we are going about this all wrong. Bouffy touches upon it when he states:

Ultimately if you are independent and strong enough to live your life by your own terms, do you really need anyone else to hold you back? Why not use circumstance to decide who to be with? If you are part of a club and find satisfaction being with a certain person at the club then let it roll. Risk a little and put yourself out there.

Mutual interests, random events, letting things kinda flow together. Letting your feelings and intuition guide you with interpersonal relationships is way more satisfying than constantly thinking of who gives more or who controls what.


I've been thinking about this lately and I think that those who *make it* are those whose fundamental values and interests mesh. If I love to read and talk books I probably shouldn't go to a wrestling match to meet a man, I should join a book club. If I'm a homebody I shouldn't date a world traveler. The problem is there are so many of us out there and don't really know where to go, or who have settled into our own lives and don't know how to venture out.

And what exactly does "have your cake and eat it too mean?" Isn't that what cake is for? I think we need a new metaphor...
- July 12th, 2009, 06:32 am
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OverAnalyzer wrote :
hmm...is that possible? Let's say I'm a 51 year old single parent of older kids, own my home, work full time, take care of inside and out, have hobbies, am happy, content, and keep crossing the next thing off my list.

I'm attractive, fun, not overweight, great cook, passionate, optimistic, and happy. (not a ploy, just stating what you may be wondering).

So why am I still single? Do men really want to take care of women? If so, how come I only meet the ones that want to be taken care of?
According to a certain book men need to have three things in (for) the woman in their life: to profess, to provide and to protect.

Now if the woman is the strong, independent type if you are flaunting that you can provide for yourself then you have removed one of the things that men need to do for their woman. If you are also flaunting that you are strong and can protect yourself then you have removed a second thing. Then men then will just look at you and think "where do I fit in with OverAnalyzer".

Since you are attracting "The Little Boy Who Poses as a Man" I would suspect that they are drawn to the strong, independent woman type.
- July 12th, 2009, 06:52 am
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So I just have to act weak and poor to attract men? (yes, and pretty - can't forget that man-organ)

Wow, that's almost too simple.
- July 12th, 2009, 07:20 am
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The problem is that the type of man that you are looking to acquire is already spoken for. The men that you describe are a good catch and while you were busy mowing the lawn, he was being romanced by someone else. While you were busy shoveling the snow , he and his lady friend were in Florida at their condo.

As an independent women who is approaching senior citizenship in the near future, what have you been doing in the last ten years, that prevented you from finding a new man for yourself?

The one lesson that you should have learned as an I.W. was to first make time for yourself and if not, then neither would anyone else. Except for sex and a nice dinner out there is not much that a man can share with you.

You also have an "attitude problem" which is rather stand offish and is a definite turnoff.
What you do lack is objectivity to see yourself as you are today.
I do not mean that your not an interesting or a nice loving person, but you do have a problem personality wise, maybe being a bachelorette to long has contributed to the problem.

My suggestion is to try a Professional Match Maker that guarantees results. Or move to a 50 plus community or learn how to socialize.

Sorry to present such a pessimistic view, but you do lack socializing hobby's such as gold, tennis, sailing, drama club or theater club and the world is not going to beat a path to your door.

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I'm glad we were able to clear this up per an amicable, civilized and intellectual manner. Thanks for your sensitivity. I wish for you to find a nice guy Btw if you are Canadian [avatar] I have been there four times.
Great country and people.

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Woah, Outlaw, you have some serious issues! Sounds like you've had a rough trip through family court.

Perhaps we need a definition of "independent" and "needy" that everyone can agree on.
I don't need a man to pay my mortgage or my bills and I can pay my share of the entertainment dollars. That doesn't make me "bossy" or "superior". I'm "spoiled" because I can meet my car payments?
The fact that I don't need to be sitting on my guy's lap 24/7 doesn't make me "high maintenance". I'd think the opposite, actually.

I can't even say that I'm a feminist but my idea of "need" isn't to find a man who is so controlling of my finances that I'm trapped in a relationship because I don't know how to make it on my own. (See how these generalizations sound silly?)

Being able to stand on my own two feet doesn't make me "bossy" or "superior". It makes me less likely to get alimony

By Outlaw's standards, I just have to be poor and pretty to succeed in a relationship (or, rather, to "stir up a man-organ"). That might be true among the Neanderthals, but not in this century. I'm not sure who's coming off worse in this debate.

I "need" a man for companionship, sex, entertainment, moral support, conversation (I'm looking for the intellectual sort, which is the best way to stir up my woman-organ). I don't need a man to be the dude in charge of my every waking moment.
I'd consider this "low maintenance" - why are guys so frightened by this?

Or perhaps Outlaw means that "bossy" is about getting nagged to take out the garbage without the ability to slap her upside the head for her impertinence.
- July 12th, 2009, 09:11 am
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