Do Men Really Want a Successful & Educated Woman?


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DIVINE_DESIGNS7 is offline DIVINE_DESIGNS7 Post #171  July 2,2009, 7:53pm
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FaithNGod wrote :
You are a woman who has a lot to offer a guy. You need not worry about the men who are so insecure that your qualities would scare them off. I only have a high school education but have many talents in other areas. Dont loose heart you will eventually find a guy that will appreciate you for all of who you are.
I think your reply is refreshing also!
 
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You are not alone girl I have the same trouble. All I can figure out is men are intimidated by women like us. sigh....Stay positive!
Nope, that's not the answer...
 
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I'd like to throw out a comment. Some people have been saying that it's not the fact that a woman is successful and educated that makes it hard for her in dating, but that it must be something about her personality. But I'd wager that successful women both think and act differently, necessarily, from women who are not.

I'll give an example. Most people, especially men, like to feel admired. It generally will take more to impress a successful, educated woman. I'm 29, make a 6 figure salary, went to top schools, and find that I am not automatically impressed by lawyers, doctors, other professionals. But many of these men expect to drop the "I'm a _____" bomb and to see your eyes light up. I'm not salivating over a meal ticket. And I don't act like it. And I don't want to pretend that something impresses me when it doesn't.

However, I do admire many men in the military (esp. Marines) and men who have their own successful businesses, even if they are blue collar.

Haven't you all seen the Sex and the City episode where Miranda has no luck when she tells the guys she's a lawyer? But she gets laid after she tells the guys she's a flight attendant?

All in all, my sense is that many men do not prefer a truly successful educated independent woman because they may feel it's more work to impress them and/or keep them.
 
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I'd like to throw out a comment. Some people have been saying that it's not the fact that a woman is successful and educated that makes it hard for her in dating, but that it must be something about her personality. But I'd wager that successful women both think and act differently, necessarily, from women who are not.

I'll give an example. Most people, especially men, like to feel admired. It generally will take more to impress a successful, educated woman. I'm 29, make a 6 figure salary, went to top schools, and find that I am not automatically impressed by lawyers, doctors, other professionals. But many of these men expect to drop the "I'm a _____" bomb and to see your eyes light up. I'm not salivating over a meal ticket. And I don't act like it. And I don't want to pretend that something impresses me when it doesn't.

However, I do admire many men in the military (esp. Marines) and men who have their own successful businesses, even if they are blue collar.

Haven't you all seen the Sex and the City episode where Miranda has no luck when she tells the guys she's a lawyer? But she gets laid after she tells the guys she's a flight attendant?

All in all, my sense is that many men do not prefer a truly successful educated independent woman because they may feel it's more work to impress them and/or keep them.

Generalizations, Kim- don't focus too much on the "many," they're not as important as the "one." I am quite sure that there are "many men" who conform to what you've described- I've met them and heard stories from them myself. But they are not every man out there. As you put yourself about the Marines and small business owners, there are men out there who aren't as impressed by your success and education. I've met women from a broad range of walks of life, from multi-millionaires to single mothers climbing out of an avalanche of debt. For me, it has never been a woman's success and education that mattered in how attracted I was to her- it's been her attitude and personality, how she speaks and thinks, that draws me closer.


I've found that women can be just as aggressive as men in their pride. Describing what they do, how much they are worth, etc., inappropriately. I understand why you're describing your own job here- you are illustrating a point. But when I am hit over the head with it in an eha profile that's a turn off. I love it when a woman has a passion about *something.* If that is your job, great! But to me, it is the attitude that some women have -whether they are successful and educated or not- that determines if I am interested.


I wish you luck in your search, Kim. Like others have said- it's a numbers game, and you have to cut through a lot of chaff to find the good wheat.
 
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I dont know about everyone else, but I would LOVE to be with a woman who was crass, ignorant and not even remotely successful.

I think the stereotype that men are intimidated by successful women comes from successful women who are approached by the 5% of men who figure if they approach 20 women in a night, one will sleep with them. When he figures out that a particular woman is educated and respectes herself, he moves on and since this interaction is rapid, it stands out in her mind.
So true. It's easy to find a man/woman for a quick good time. It takes patience to find a person with whom to form a lasting relationship.

I find that I don't quickly attract men (unless out at a nightclub), perhaps it's my success, but I think more realistically, it's that I don't look like a woman who is going to be "easy." The man I am currently "dating" or getting to know, is so patient, not going beyond my comfort zone. I've known him for two years and no more that a couple of kisses. Yes, it takes longer to find a man who will put up with my "standards" but the men who do persue me are very quality men.

One of my coworkers has no trouble finding men. She has the same income and education as me. But her last "boyfriend" lasted only a few dates and she was already having sex with him.

Yes, there are men who are interested in successful women, it is just a slower process but well worth the wait. I have to admit, though, being human, sometimes I contemplate finding a young man and having fun for a night, and then I come to my senses.
 
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Okay! I might be a little slow in the thought process, but I think this totally depends on many things. Elaborate? Okay! I consider myself a pretty intelligent, conditioned, seasoned, strong, and mature indiviual. When you speak of women period I believe that all of those qualities and more are needed. If one of those are missing then it will be hard to endure the additional lessons of what a confident, mature, and independent woman will bring. It does not matter to me who brings in the most or has the most to offer financially, mentally, or otherwise in a relationship because I have not forgotten that women were taken from us to add to us.

What I mean is, God is the creator of all. He has made a help mate who can at times be as strong as we are as men and endure just as much as we can. In some cases bring more to the table, because we as men at times need that because we fall too, but as the known strength or histories strength and back bone become conditioned to stressing to always do it all.

We think that nothing can get done without us instead of relaxing just a little and trust that our mate is handling things for the better of our relationship and our lives instead of thinking they will get so independent that they will run off and leave us with our testosterone issues.

Now there is a flip side to this also. Women at times in the heat of the moment get frustrated and forget that even though we are men and strong or what heve you we have weak points, are vulnerable, and suffer some of the same fates as women by human nature. Having said all of that, some women rub thier success in some of thier men's faces. We know you're strong. We know you can handle finances, bills, traffic jams, flat tires, mechanical issues as well as we do. But does it make any situation any better by women confusing confidence with arrogance.

I may be wrong, but it's only my opinion I'm no professional. At the same time it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the world runs on that third party triangle. It is more of an issue for a woman to be extremely boastful than a man.

Set me straight if you like I have thick skin, just remember it is only my thoughts but that does not make it concrete. I am however confident that 85% of what I stated is accurate!
 
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No need to worry about men who are bothered by your degree and townhouse, they are losers that will bore you stiff in nanseconds. The really relevant question is why do you have such microscopic expectations that you would even look at someone without these entry level credentials ? You are far better off associating with successful friends than decending to the level of any availible underachieving male.
 
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Well, they admitted they were intimidated, but they still asked you out, and wanted to go out with you after admitting they were intimidated. So it seems to me that you've answered your own question - they do want a successful and educated woman - you! Well done! I say, if you're attracted to one of them, see where it goes!
 
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jmc1951 wrote :
No need to worry about men who are bothered by your degree and townhouse, they are losers that will bore you stiff in nanseconds. The really relevant question is why do you have such microscopic expectations that you would even look at someone without these entry level credentials ? You are far better off associating with successful friends than decending to the level of any availible underachieving male.
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jmc1951 wrote :
No need to worry about men who are bothered by your degree and townhouse, they are losers that will bore you stiff in nanseconds. The really relevant question is why do you have such microscopic expectations that you would even look at someone without these entry level credentials ? You are far better off associating with successful friends than decending to the level of any availible underachieving male.
I'm in the military, something I chose to do. I could have gotten a job at the railroad with my buddy, who's going to earn $95,000 this year, but I do this job because I feel it's important. I don't have a degree, and I live in the barracks. Am I a loser, an underachiever, or lack entry-level credentials because I don't have a "degree and townhouse?" I think your perception of what is important or what defines success is pretty shallow. On the other hand, there are quite a number of women who do judge men on those standards; we call them "gold-diggers."
 
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