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Here’s a quick guide:
1-3 Dates – No contact needed
4-7 Dates – Short email or call
7+ Dates – Face to Face


Ah, now this last part is useful! That's a decent set of rules.


Let me address the other points:


 o Emotional Midget: Men aren't emotional midgets when they vape. They were obviously victimized by a neurotic and overbearing woman.


 o He is a Player: Actually, he was afraid he'd contract an STD. He inferred this from the way you were dressed.


 o He was Pretending: Check the mirror, your neuroticism is showing.


 o He doesn't "like-like" you: Well, duh. If he "like-liked" you he'd call, right.


And, here are two FACTS for you.


1) A woman vaped on me after dating for 6mos. She wound up married, and called me a few months after the annulment.


2) Another woman vaped on me after six very nice dates. "POOF." Ran back to her ex.


So... well, there you go. Women vape so they can be with other guys. That's my dataset.


 - Saul


 

- June 20th, 2009, 11:59 am
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I actually liked this article too. There was another article not that long ago injecting some common sense into the whole chemistry and attraction discussion. So it's nice to see some common sense being injected into the whole poofing discussion.

I've always thought it was crazy to think someone owes an explanation if they decide a person is not for them. As the article points out there is no reason to detail all the things you thought were wrong about them.

So now EHa has officially set the rule that if you've only been out 1-3 dates then no explanation is necessary, and it is ok to Poof. When we hear complaining on this in the future let's just refer them to the article and save ourselves a lot of debate.
- June 20th, 2009, 12:35 pm
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1-3 Dates – No contact needed
4-7 Dates – Short email or call
7+ Dates – Face to Face

I think that these are reasonable guidelines. When I accept a date from a gentleman I don’t consider it proper etiquette for me to attach a lot of responsibilities and obligations to the event. It is a date, not a relationship. He owes me nothing more than to treat me with courtesy while we are together. We’re here; let’s just pass the time as pleasantly as possible. Once the end of the date arrives, we owe each other nothing further. The “Sorry, there’s no chemistry” platitude doesn’t really add anything of lasting value to my life. His future absence tells me all that I need to know without being confronted with a laundry list of things that didn’t work. In my own personal experience, it was pretty mutch mutual anyway.


Emotional Midget. I think that this dynamic could have been discussed without attaching an offensive title to it. I think that a lot of folks might experience a similar epiphany and the best thing that they can do for me is to poof and go concentrate on getting their head together and decide what they want and when they are ready for it without dragging me through the process. Thank you to all of the ‘emotional midgets”, male and female.

Thank you to all of the poofing players. If that is what winds your watch, then you are correct in assuming that I am not the girl for you. I am very happy that you did not choose to string me along rather than simply poofing.

Pretending? When I consider what the alternative could have been… thank you.

He doesn’t like-like me? Well, I don’t like-like every single man that I go out on a date with either. And I’m not shopping for a buddy to hang with. We don’t need to create a big drama over this. I have no desire to beg for a kick to the stomach. I have no need for a critique from someone who does not know me on what they consider my strengths and weaknesses to be because what one person might consider a weakness I might consider a strength. Regardless, we are not right for one another. Say goodbye politely and fade into the sunset so that I can concentrate on the next person.

Explanations? I don’t see where they are either necessary or valuable in the 1-3 date range. When you get to the 4-7 range perhaps enough expectations have been built up to make a short explanation reasonable. We are still not at the exclusive stage, so there is essentially very little that we actually owe to one another other than to deal with one another politely in public. If you string along something that you know isn’t working out as far as 7+ dates, then I think that you should pay the price of having to say something to my face. You knucklehaid, you!

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Maybe he went poof not because it was a perfect date, but because the kiss felt like she was sucking him through a rinse cycle in an automatic car wash!
Sad but true... I loved the date but had a near drowning experience.
I never called her again.
- June 29th, 2009, 07:23 pm
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KungFuFtr wrote :
I tend to poof if I'm doing all the calling, texting and arranging. I figure I'm putting forth effort by initiating and showing interest; then, she should do the same. Why do I owe someone an explanation if they're the one being aloof or playing hard to get.
Excellent point. After a while a guy gets tired of this type of thing. The girl may think she's wisely playing hard to get, but really she's just setting herself up for losing the guy.
- June 29th, 2009, 07:31 pm
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I think the problem with most women is that they second guess themselves alot more then men do. It's easy for a guy to go 'poof' because like some of you guys have mentioned - it's onto the next. However, with women, we think on terms of "I think the date went well...Didn't he like me? Did I look okay? Why hasn't he called?"...in other words - they overthink things. They should just take the hint and move on... Easier said then done I know. But if a guy/girl likes you, he/she likes you. If he/she doesn't, he/she doesn't. And certainly if they haven't called you back, they just weren't into it. Simple!
- June 29th, 2009, 08:16 pm
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Allie_Kat wrote :
I think the problem with most women is that they second guess themselves alot more then men do. It's easy for a guy to go 'poof' because like some of you guys have mentioned - it's onto the next. However, with women, we think on terms of "I think the date went well...Didn't he like me? Did I look okay? Why hasn't he called?"...in other words - they overthink things. They should just take the hint and move on... Easier said then done I know. But if a guy/girl likes you, he/she likes you. If he/she doesn't, he/she doesn't. And certainly if they haven't called you back, they just weren't into it. Simple!
So you're saying that all women should read that book "He's Just Not That Into You"?
- June 30th, 2009, 04:54 am
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Interesting that just today I was having a discussion about "poofing" with a girlfriend. Both of us were thinking we had been victims by the guys we have been dating, who disappeared for a few days without plans for a future date. But both of us got a call today from our guys to go out.

I really have pretty much no problem with the first date poofers, especially since most of my dating comes from online. How can I be offended if I go out on one short date and he doesn't call again? Especially if a guy hasn't kissed me (I don't kiss on a first date), it isn't that big of a deal. I have had that happen often enough and have stopped worrying about it at all.

However, I have had a couple of guys poof that were way past the 7 date rule and it is infuriating to me. Guys, there is no better way to tell a girl that you have no respect for her or for yourself than by leaving her to hang dry without any warning or explanation.

I need closure, but I don't need a detailed explanation. Something like, "I don't feel right about this relationship and think we shouldn't see each other anymore" should suffice. And it really makes me mad when you have a major make-out session (not the first with that guy) and he poofs. I always wonder if he was planning it the whole night and acted all romantic with the intention of never seeing me again or if it was a spur of the moment decision.

I have never poofed on a guy in my life. When I feel a relationship is not right, I always try to do right by the guy and let him know in a kind but concise way. I don't go into detail on the why, but I always thank him for the time we spent together and try to make sure he knows I have no hard feelings that it didn't work out.

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Mr_Right wrote :
So you're saying that all women should read that book "He's Just Not That Into You"?
I for one have not seen the movie, nor read the book. But yes, it prbably does have some truth to it.
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9. He still lives with his parents.
10. She drives a 20+ year old Honda.
11. She collects cats.
12. He has three ex-wives.
13. He forgot that he was still married to wifey #4!
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