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kat5560 is offline kat5560 Post #1  June 3,2009, 8:37am
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truthfully, here are my "personal" reasons for starting the other post.

i had been with man for 3 years and assumed it was the best, most close, great, special, wonderful relationship i had ever had. i was so excited to be with him. he was so excited to be with me, always happy and laughing and loving. great, fantastic, best freinds!!!!

i found out years later (after we became engaged) that he had spent some time in about 3rd year also interested in another women and having some lunches with her over a period of several months.
it absolutely devasted me!!!!!

why???? (ive have finally figured out the "why" years later).
why?? becuase i no longer trusted my ability to see reality.
i know longer trusted that man seeming so in love and happy with you, meant anything at all.
you see he was very confused about what he wanted. i didnt know that.

in the book "mars and venus" , john gray states that a man will become unsure and feel the need to pull away (even when all seems great to the women). he may even find himself looking at the greener grass before coming back to you.

i, as women, do not understand how a man can love you, enjoy being with you so much, have all perfect, and then be looking at greener grass.

it left me not being able to believe he really loved me right (even "after" becoming engaged). i have struggled with it ever since.

then i read other posts where i see other people going through this very thing. they will say it is great, wonderful, we connect,, ect,,,,,
but now he wants to leave and says he does not love me.
and i see men with equal misunderstanding about what they go through with women.

how do we do a post a like this??? im not sure. maybe we each put in our misunderstanding about what the other sex really thinks and feels with certain things.....
(like mine is "how can a man act so in love, be in love, but then think about greener pastures,, and in the end acually want to marry you). what are men thinking when during this in a period of dout,, and why so much dout? (but why still acting in love if it dout,,,,making it where we dont know heads from tails)

i would post some other "ideas" where men and women think different and the other sex wishes they understood,, but after all the stuff we just went through in the other thread about this, i am so afraid to it!.

ill let others put their ideas of things that confuse them.
 
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You know, where I strongly think a lot of people are totally missing the boat on all this romance and dating stuff is that they are living in their own little ideal fantasy land and not willing to join the real world with real people and actually try to make a relationship work.

Nobody is perfect in fact most of us are far from perfect and never will come close to perfect. Relationships take work - lots of hard work, by BOTH people equally to survive.

I don't care how attracted I am to my partner. If she is not willing to open up, communicate, and work on building a solid foundation of trust and respect, then I dont want anything more to do with her.

It seems like every woman I meet lately has this little fantasy land view of the world and relationships.
 
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kat5560 wrote :
truthfully, here are my "personal" reasons for starting the other post.

i had been with man for 3 years and assumed it was the best, most close, great, special, wonderful relationship i had ever had. i was so excited to be with him. he was so excited to be with me, always happy and laughing and loving. great, fantastic, best freinds!!!!

i found out years later (after we became engaged) that he had spent some time in about 3rd year also interested in another women and having some lunches with her over a period of several months.
it absolutely devasted me!!!!!

why???? (ive have finally figured out the "why" years later).
why?? becuase i no longer trusted my ability to see reality.
i know longer trusted that man seeming so in love and happy with you, meant anything at all.
you see he was very confused about what he wanted. i didnt know that.

in the book "mars and venus" , john gray states that a man will become unsure and feel the need to pull away (even when all seems great to the women). he may even find himself looking at the greener grass before coming back to you.

i, as women, do not understand how a man can love you, enjoy being with you so much, have all perfect, and then be looking at greener grass.

it left me not being able to believe he really loved me right (even "after" becoming engaged). i have struggled with it ever since.

then i read other posts where i see other people going through this very thing. they will say it is great, wonderful, we connect,, ect,,,,,
but now he wants to leave and says he does not love me.
and i see men with equal misunderstanding about what they go through with women.

how do we do a post a like this??? im not sure. maybe we each put in our misunderstanding about what the other sex really thinks and feels with certain things.....
(like mine is "how can a man act so in love, be in love, but then think about greener pastures,, and in the end acually want to marry you). what are men thinking when during this in a period of dout,, and why so much dout? (but why still acting in love if it dout,,,,making it where we dont know heads from tails)

i would post some other "ideas" where men and women think different and the other sex wishes they understood,, but after all the stuff we just went through in the other thread about this, i am so afraid to it!.

ill let others put their ideas of things that confuse them.
I see what you're getting at, Kat. I'm also really sorry that you're going through this. You are obviously in pain, and it is my hope that some of the men here, will be able to shed some light on your situation.

You definitely have a valid question, that deserves honest consideration. Thank you for being brave enough, to give us the details, that prompted your original thread.

I would like to suggest that your question be addressed as question #1, and any subsequent questions put forth by either sex, be given a number as well.

1. When a man acts like he's in love, what prompts him to consider greener pastures? Is something missing in the relationship? Is he not ready to commit? Is she just not "the one"?

Other prompts to get us started:
  • What does it mean when...?
  • How do men/women feel about...?

I look forward to hearing the responses.

WISYS
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kat5560 wrote :
i, as women, do not understand how a man can love you, enjoy being with you so much, have all perfect, and then be looking at greener grass.
Relationships and feelings do not remain linear. They develop, change and evolve over time. Sometimes these changes are for the better. Sometimes not.

Its not just men. Many women have been in love, only to later wonder if he really is the/a man she wants to commit to the rest of her life.

I believe you can genuinely love a person... but still have doubts about whether that love is enough to sustain the relationship. Love isn't the be-all and end-all. In the early stages (perhaps the first year or two) a person can be blinded by love.
Newer love is often intensified by:
** the heightened lust that is often present in the beginning...
** the infatuation...
** the newness of the love...
** and the realization of that love..
People often tend to overlook and/or minimize other key ingredients that might (or might not) be important to them... over the long term.

Love isn't always enough. It is certainly a key element - perhaps the hugest factor. But it isn't the only factor when it comes to making a lifetime commitment. As time goes by... and the two people get to know each other better & better, and the blinders start coming off:... one person might start to question whether or not the other is someone s/he wants to live with, or marry. It doesn't mean the love isn't real. It could mean that it just isn't enough. Or perhaps not the right kind of love.

It would be so nice, for all of us, if the doubt/questions were mutual. If both parties started to wane at the same time. We could then just simply agree that, "Well, its been great but time to move on. I love you dearly... and wish you the best, always. But I don't want to marry you. Don't forget to invite me to your wedding."

Unfortunately, it rarely happens that way. It is usually one person who realizes that the other isn't (or may not be) the type of person with whom s/he's wants an exclusive commitment. Granted, some people address this better than others.

Being dishonest, and sneaking around with someone new, is not a good approach. The reasons for dishonesty may vary:
** It could be he wants to keep his cake and eat it too.
** It could be that he's trying to avoid/delay hurting the other person...
** It could be that he doesn't quite know how to say that he's not sure she's "the one"... and that he wants to date others... or that he's interested in someone else.

Regardless of the reasons, dishonesty is never a good approach.

I'm sorry he did that to you.
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Hmmm....well, I guess my two cents on this topic is that both men and women experience some amount of fear and doubt before making such a huge lifetime commitment as marriage. Also, I think that experiencing that fear and doubt is a very normal part of the process. Think about it - you are making a lifelong commitment to this one person. It is rather scary no matter how much you love them. All kinds of questions jump out at you - are they really the right person, can I do better, am I settling, what if they are not who I think they are? The way that we handle and deal with that fear and doubt is different. Not only are there gender differences but also individual people differences.

For instance, women tend to have large female support groups who are there to tell them that everything will be ok. Since being a little girl, a woman is taught that she is supposed to want this and that idea is constantly reinforced by society, by media, by friends, by parents, etc. She is taught to have faith in the fairy tale ending. Granted, life is not a fairy tale, but having some faith in something does help women deal with their fears and doubts. Ultimately, when she is affraid or has doubts, she can talk about it with a very positive support group and make the fears go away.

But what can a man do? Look around - he is not "supposed" to want this commitment thing. It's cool to be the free roaming stud with many women hanging on his arm. On the other hand it's not cool to be tied down. Men will tease each other almost mercilessly when one finds a woman that he likes - she has him whipped, she has his balls in a jar, etc. Who does he turn to when he has doubts and fears? His drinking buddies are already telling him "don't do it, man." At the same time a man does not want to live alone any more than a woman does. So what does he do to settle his fears? What does he do to reassure himself that she is in fact the right one? I guess one way is field research so to speak.
 
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sheera007 wrote :
Relationships and feelings do not remain linear. They develop, change and evolve over time. Sometimes these changes are for the better. Sometimes not.

Its not just men. Many women have been in love, only to later wonder if he really is the (a) man she wants to commit to the rest of her life.

I believe you can genuinely love a person... but still have doubts about whether that love is enough to sustain the relationship. Love isn't the be-all and end-all. In the early stages (perhaps the first year or two) a person can be blinded by love. Newer love is often intensified by the heightened lust that is often present in the beginning... the infatuation... and the newness of the love... and the realization of that love. People often tend to overlook and/or minimize other key ingredients that might (or might not) be important to them... over the long term.

Love isn't always enough. It is certainly a key element - perhaps the hugest factor. But it isn't the only factor when it comes to making a lifetime commitment. As time goes by... and the two people get to know each other better & better, and the blinders start coming off... one person might start to question whether or not the other is someone s/he want to live with or marry. It doesn't mean the love isn't real. It could mean that it just isn't enough. Or perhaps not the right kind of love.

I would be so nice, for all of us, if the doubt/questions were mutual. If both parties started to wane at the same time. We could then just simply agree that, "Well, its been great but time to move on. I love you dearly... and wish you the best, always. But I don't want to marry you. Don't forget to invite me to your wedding."

Unfortunately, it rarely happens that way. It is usually one person who realizes that the other isn't (or may not be) the type of person with whom s/he's wants an exclusive commitment. Granted, some people address this better than others.

Being dishonest, and sneaking around with someone new, is not a good approach. The reasons may vary. It could be he wants to keep his cake and eat it too. It could be that he's trying to avoid hurting the other person... and doesn't quite know how to say that he's not sure she's "the one"... or that he wants to date others... or that he's interested in someone else. Regardless of the reasons, dishonesty is never a good approach.
I'm sorry he did that to you.
I agree. Having doubts is not just a guy thing. I think it's natural to wonder if your love is enough, if you have all of the key ingredients needed to sustain a healthy, successful relationship for the rest of your lives.

That's why it's important to determine compatibility early on. It's also essential that you balance emotional, physical, and spiritual intimacy as you grow in your love. All parts of the relationship need to grow together.

I think that most relationships dissolve when one or the other party, starts to question the longevity of the relationship. In my experience, there's usually a reason why someone has doubts.

It is best to follow your gut instinct, even when you may cause the other person pain.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you in in the past. I assure you that there is a MAN (or MEN) out there that has gone through the very same thing. Definitely we are from 2 totally different planets, no argument there. However, WE are in so many ways the same and think the same.

I, like you went through the same similar thing. It was a 7-8 year relationship. In the end although he seemed to be in love with me and happy and all that good stuff it became obvious he wasn't. Big hint was being together for so long and not marrying me. To me, NOW, it's a sign that although he was "happy" and "in love" he was obviously always looking or hoping for "greener grass". Pretty sad. I gave up on that hope, I was just not THE ONE that would make him happy for the rest of his life or him mine.

Although my heart and trust have been severely broken I refuse to let this stand in the way of falling IN LOVE blindly or even TRUSTING blindly again. It is very, very hard BUT if I don't I may be losing out on something great. I do this knowing that I risk my heart and trust being broken all over again BUT greater is the fear of becoming someone who does not trust and is always afraid of LOVE. That to me is living to the fullest. Good fortune doesn't come to us; we go to it by taking risks. Life is all about taking risks.
 
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thankyou all. your comments are backing up some things i was feeling myself (nice to know im not crazy).

this happened long ago, so i had alredy dealt with alot of the stuff (like the dishonesty,, his reasons,, ect ect.).

and it "was" really tough to deal with all that!!! i think it took me longer to deal with than it would some people becuase i have always been such an honest and faithful women to man (i would feel quitly at telling a tiniest lie, so i did not even do that!). i just didnt get it all.

the bottem line was that his interest in the other women did not come first. it was acually his confusion about his feelings that came first and then he decided to do "stupid things" to figure his feelings out.

but the final thing that it left me with (that i still struggle with),,,,
is that when i look back i remember things. i remember how much fun we were having and how he was looking at me and hugging me and all the things we were doing. i not only remeber how close i felt to him and how we were best friends ,, but also felt how close he was to me and that i was his best freind.

yes, all that changed during the months that this other women was in the picture (understandably),, but as i said his confusion started before that.

when i look back at how he was ""acting with me" though,,,
i never would had known or ever thought that he might have been feeling unsure of his feelings. i thought i knew the last thing that ever could have been possible would be having him be interested in someone else. how could he be with someone else when i was missing him so much because he was out.

so that is why i try until this day to understand how he could have loved me (but been so confused ank liking someone else).

maybe this """"is a man AND women"" thing and both sexes could do this. but because i am a women that could never (more appropriately to say would never ""want"" to be with another if i am so close to my man),,,
i now find it very hard to trust it when i hear "i love you" ,, or when i "think" i see a man in love with me.

it makes me want to grab the men out there (thus my reaching out on these posts) and say to the men,,,,,, "explain this to me!!!"
 
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dear forgetmenot.
i am soo sorry you went through this too. i know it is a very painful thing. i am glad to hear you are still open and believing.
that is a very good thing you are doing for yourself!!!

my problem is that i am still with the man did this and gave me such problem believing to begin with. (together 9 years now).
it has been several years since i found out about it. like i said we had acually become engaged prior to me finding out.

when i first found out i was devasted and did not handle it well ,,,
and he did not handle it well that i was not handling well.
so once again he did all the all the wrong things. (became defensive , yelling, ect).

through these posts and alot of talking we have managed to work through alot of stuff. but it still effects our relationship because i have such a hard time believing that he really loves me now. i feel now like hugs and closeness and fun can all be faked or done for the "wrong" reasons. i miss having someone hug me and having ""me feel" like, "yes this is love!!

i am always wondering if one day a pretty women will come along and he will become "confused" again.
 
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