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curtainlady is offline curtainlady Post #1  June 2,2009, 4:03pm
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I hear all the time men are simple creatures - they just want great meals and sex regularly and a woman can have what they want. I don't see this at all! Married 22 years, I am a good cook, made dinner every night, never said no, but still was cheated on and my ex wanted me to have a $70,000 a year job when I was busy raising 3 sons.

Now on EH, I start communicating with a guy who seems to have lots in common, until I get to the "must haves" and "can't stand": must be "very attractive by common standards" and "can't stand a woman who is overweight". What's up with that? Most of us are average in weight and looks; let's face it. At nearly 50, I am sure a large percentage have an extra 15-20 pounds, and what the country thinks is "very attractive" may vary, but is likely not an aging middle-aged woman with character. What about those 29 dimensions?
 
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Well, you could, you know, write him and find out what he means, or you could close him. The former gives you a chance with someone who may prove to be a good person for you, the latter does not.
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Agreed. Find out what he considers to be overweight before jumping to conclusions.
 
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Apparently.

One of the MHCS's that I don't get is when (the majority of [my matches] men list personal hygiene (frankly I don't get why it's even in the list,) since to me it is such a basic requirement on my part that if someone doesn't practice hygiene, I'm not going there since there won't even be a date. I don't list it as a MHCS's since I don't want to waste a no-brainer.
 
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See, nobody should put that one in the first place, because even though it's on everybody's mind, it's not socially correct to say that.

That's why they have pictures too. I mean, come on. You can usually tell from the pictures if you're attracted or not.
 
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I was probably a bit challenging when I asked about these 2 items. As a nurse, I asked if he himself was a BMI of 18-24 (normal wt according to the charts in my office) or if he just expected that in a mate . I am a 27 on that chart, which is technically overweight, and judging from his pictures at age 55, he probably carried a bit over too.

I am probably too sensitive on this stuff, but I can't help feeling that men want the ideal in looks, and discount everything else: education, career, stability in mental health. I can understand not wanting poor health or hygiene, but after 3 kids and not being a runner, middle age happens! It would be like me saying I can't stand a man without hair or I must have a man who is very attractive by conventional standards. Women never say things like that, but men do.

And to beat all, he says he "can't stand" a woman who flirts with other men! What would he expect to get if he has a very attractive woman who is not overweight at age 50-55? A woman who knows she looks darn good and likes the attention of men!

Is this just one guy, or is it the gender? And just to set the record straight, I am told I am an attractive woman, but certainly not photogenic or attractive in a movie star way - I look much younger than my age with no wrinkles, but I am about 20 pounds over the charts and wear a size 14. Looks are just a tiny part of who I am.
 
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Yes the vast majority of men ARE that simple. As in they will mostly go for looks and when they find someone that looks better than you that will have them, they will mostly dump you like a hot potato.

The answer? Use their own standards to judge them. If they are middle aged, only of average appearance and in your opinion, overweight, then why overlook those faults? Women constantly make this simple mistake. They look beyond the appearance hoping to find something more beautiful on the inside. Unfortunately it rarely exists. And now you're stuck with a very average to ugly man who also treats you like rubbish. What's the point?

That kind of stuff will just mess up your self esteem. As a woman it's very important to insist on the whole package...a pleasing appearance AND a beautiful personality. To settle for anything less is to invite disaster on the relationship front.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking you need a partner to have a fulfilling life. You absolutely don't. And having a disappointing relationship will erode your life experience more quickly than anything else. In the vast majority of cases you will be happier and better off financially alone than in a cr*p relationship. Why does no-one ever tell women that being solo in life is a GOOD option...?
 
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curtainlady wrote :
I am probably too sensitive on this stuff, but I can't help feeling that men want the ideal in looks, and discount everything else: education, career, stability in mental health. I can understand not wanting poor health or hygiene, but after 3 kids and not being a runner, middle age happens! It would be like me saying I can't stand a man without hair or I must have a man who is very attractive by conventional standards. Women never say things like that, but men do.

It is more akin to saying “I expect my partner to pay for the entirety of the first date, and most of the time thereafter,” or any other requirement about his income, wealth, or class.
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curtainlady wrote :
I was probably a bit challenging when I asked about these 2 items. As a nurse, I asked if he himself was a BMI of 18-24 (normal wt according to the charts in my office) or if he just expected that in a mate . I am a 27 on that chart, which is technically overweight, and judging from his pictures at age 55, he probably carried a bit over too.

I am probably too sensitive on this stuff, but I can't help feeling that men want the ideal in looks, and discount everything else: education, career, stability in mental health. I can understand not wanting poor health or hygiene, but after 3 kids and not being a runner, middle age happens! It would be like me saying I can't stand a man without hair or I must have a man who is very attractive by conventional standards. Women never say things like that, but men do.

And to beat all, he says he "can't stand" a woman who flirts with other men! What would he expect to get if he has a very attractive woman who is not overweight at age 50-55? A woman who knows she looks darn good and likes the attention of men!

Is this just one guy, or is it the gender? And just to set the record straight, I am told I am an attractive woman, but certainly not photogenic or attractive in a movie star way - I look much younger than my age with no wrinkles, but I am about 20 pounds over the charts and wear a size 14. Looks are just a tiny part of who I am.
Easy there, curtainlady. When I had an active eHarmony membership I had many women state this as a Must Have. And don't even get me started on match and some of the other dating sites. Trust me, Shallow Street runs both ways. I am well aware that many men are hypocritical when it comes to appearance, and that sometimes they themselves are nothing to write home about in the looks department. But let's dispense with the idea that women aren't shallow.
 
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Yes the vast majority of men ARE that simple. As in they will mostly go for looks and when they find someone that looks better than you that will have them, they will mostly dump you like a hot potato.

The answer? Use their own standards to judge them. If they are middle aged, only of average appearance and in your opinion, overweight, then why overlook those faults? Women constantly make this simple mistake. They look beyond the appearance hoping to find something more beautiful on the inside. Unfortunately it rarely exists. And now you're stuck with a very average to ugly man who also treats you like rubbish. What's the point?

That kind of stuff will just mess up your self esteem. As a woman it's very important to insist on the whole package...a pleasing appearance AND a beautiful personality. To settle for anything less is to invite disaster on the relationship front.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking you need a partner to have a fulfilling life. You absolutely don't. And having a disappointing relationship will erode your life experience more quickly than anything else. In the vast majority of cases you will be happier and better off financially alone than in a cr*p relationship. Why does no-one ever tell women that being solo in life is a GOOD option...?
I have trumped this ideology myself. I think it's noble that many women overlook physical appearance, but not as many men appear to be doing it. If each gender holds the accountable to the same standards they must adhere too, these issues wouldn't be as prevalent.
 
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