What is more of a betrayal for you?


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LizziePooh is offline LizziePooh Post #31  May 25,2009, 1:44pm

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So warp drive has been discovered. So are we now just waiting to figure out how we do not get crushed to nothingness during the trip?
 
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It is inappropriate for anyone to ask intimate/personal details of a person's relationship with someone else. If I knew (and I have) these conversations were taking place, I would pull back from the relationship. If I valued the relationship, I would certainly express my displeasure with the circumstance.

In at least one publication I read a while ago, this tactic--asking intimate details about someone's relationship--was described as a way for a person so inclined to manipulate the object of attention into transferring his/her feelings for the boy/girlfriend to the person with the 'inquiring mind.' I think it's sleazy and demonstrates why these extra curricular affairs are dangerous for an existing relationship. Even if the point is not to insert yourself somehow into another's relationship, whether you consider yourself a friend or not, it is still inappropriate when you're delving beyond small talk, making conversation or friendly chit-chat. An intimate relationship between two people now becomes one with a third wheel. No room, no thanks.

I agree that both physical and emotional dalliances are betrayals. And I wouldn't trust a same-gender friend who asked a lot of personal details about my relationship with someone either. Unless I offer, and I probably won't, I think it's wormy to ask.

Here's another question: Do you think you would recognize when someone may be manipulating you this way? Could head off some problems with the SO ... :-)

My man would keep his trap shut and tell the woman she was being inappropriate and to MYOB! or least say that he doesn't kiss and tell. ah, my hero ...
 
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SisterCassie wrote :
It is inappropriate for anyone to ask intimate/personal details of a person's relationship with someone else. If I knew (and I have) these conversations were taking place, I would pull back from the relationship. If I valued the relationship, I would certainly express my displeasure with the circumstance.

In at least one publication I read a while ago, this tactic--asking intimate details about someone's relationship--was described as a way for a person so inclined to manipulate the object of attention into transferring his/her feelings for the boy/girlfriend to the person with the 'inquiring mind.' I think it's sleazy and demonstrates why these extra curricular affairs are dangerous for an existing relationship. Even if the point is not to insert yourself somehow into another's relationship, whether you consider yourself a friend or not, it is still inappropriate when you're delving beyond small talk, making conversation or friendly chit-chat. An intimate relationship between two people now becomes one with a third wheel. No room, no thanks.

I agree that both physical and emotional dalliances are betrayals. And I wouldn't trust a same-gender friend who asked a lot of personal details about my relationship with someone either. Unless I offer, and I probably won't, I think it's wormy to ask.

Here's another question: Do you think you would recognize when someone may be manipulating you this way? Could head off some problems with the SO ... :-)

My man would keep his trap shut and tell the woman she was being inappropriate and to MYOB! or least say that he doesn't kiss and tell. ah, my hero ...
When things are good it is easy to say that we would tell someone to MYOB. We only get tested when things are rocky.

The communication with others only really matters when things are not going well with our relationships.

Often when things are going badly in someone's relationship they will volunteer information to others. The recipient of said info does not often need to do much more than just listen.

It also sounds like you place the blame on the outsider instead of the one in the relationship which I am not buying. The one that cheats is way, way, way more at fault here.

Many people are so very private & that has something to do with how an individual will handle others having personal information. Personally, I don't care what anyone else knows or thinks so my SO can talk all she wants but she better not act on it.
 
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Physical is the deal breaker. Maybe I'm more open than others but it doesn't bother me if my SO talks about our relationship, even intimate details. I don't have anything to hide and don't feel embarrassed by any intimate details. If she's asking advice or even comparing notes to her other friends' relationships, it can be enlightening and/or a learning experience and could even strengthen our relationship.

But if she's having an emotional relationship with someone else as lovers, yeah, that's something totally different and unacceptable. Unless it's another woman, which of course begs the question: why does it seem more acceptable for a woman to be bisexual than a man? I don't know, but another woman wouldn't be as threatening to our relationship than a man would, from my perspective with her having the emotional affair at least. My opinion of course.
 
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I don't necessarily think the risk exists only when things are going poorly. People who are happy attract others whether they intend to or not. Some cannot resist the attentions of an outsider even when they are happily involved with someone else.

I only mentioned a scenario that involves an outsider with specific intentions and motives. That is not to say that is the only person who would ever be at fault. There could be any number of outsiders vying for a person's attention. The violation occurs only when the person in the relationship acts. I also would consider it a violation of trust if a "friend" was digging with either party in the relationship for personal details.
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Blackadder wrote :
Physical is the deal breaker. Maybe I'm more open than others but it doesn't bother me if my SO talks about our relationship, even intimate details. I don't have anything to hide and don't feel embarrassed by any intimate details. If she's asking advice or even comparing notes to her other friends' relationships, it can be enlightening and/or a learning experience and could even strengthen our relationship.

But if she's having an emotional relationship with someone else as lovers, yeah, that's something totally different and unacceptable. Unless it's another woman, which of course begs the question: why does it seem more acceptable for a woman to be bisexual than a man? I don't know, but another woman wouldn't be as threatening to our relationship than a man would, from my perspective with her having the emotional affair at least. My opinion of course.
That is so funny that you brought up the girl on girl thing because while I was writimg my last post that came to mind.

And yes, that may be different & I MAY be able to get past that.
 
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The physical betrayal would be the ticket for me. The emotional betrayal would be a great concern. As a female, sex is more than just a physical thing...most men know this about women. So when the SO crosses that line they know exactly what they are doing.

Couldn't of said it better myself.........
 
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Since I have tried hard in the past to save a marriage where my wife cheated mulitple times I would never again stay one second after finding out my spouse cheated. When she stood up and vowed to love and honor me I can not think of a way she could have been anymore disrespectful and disloyal as cheating.
 
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